The most fucked up thing I've seen so far in the occupy movement.

[Ron Almeida]

protests i went to were against big government

yes i have seen kids at the occupy protests

disobeying police is against the law

it does not belong to them, it is for all of us to use in a lawful manner

these people are not the working class, if they were they would be at work not living in the street looking for handouts

anyone who wants to work can find a job (i drive to california to work) and anyone who wants to start a business can ( you can go pick up dog crap for people for money)

[Angel"EL DIABLO"Diaz]

Well regardless what anyone thinks about the protest heres an article that says Oakland police were using illegal force even under war zone situations

http://www.businessinsider.com/marin...-zones-2011-10

[Isaiah Mendoza]

Well regardless what anyone thinks about the protest heres an article that says Oakland police were using illegal force even under war zone situations

http://www.businessinsider.com/marin...-zones-2011-10

ya I think we can all agree that whoever threw that flashbang into that crowd is a fucking pussy.

[Taylor Culbertson]

In attempts to have an intelligent conversation on the issue. Im going to toss my 2 cents in and see what comes back. I think there's a good chance people may have heard the warning. I mean as soon as armed security with riot shields show up and cage you in.. chances are you know somethings going down. BUT.. even if they did hear.. I dont necessarily think that means they should have left.

I dont think its acceptable to allow police, or anyone else, to demand you give up your right to free speech/protest with threats of violence. People have the right to be heard. And for those saying that you can be heard from your house, and that you dont need to occupy public places.. Let's think logically here. Had these people been at home writing emails to congress, or sending tweets to the people in wallstreet.. we would have never heard of any of them. And none of this would have gotten any attention. There is power in numbers. People realize they can make a bigger difference together than they can by themselves. Or protesting in one of their backyards on private property.

And as for the police. They are here to protect us. And before you talk about "protecting" other citizens rights not involved in this movement. Think for a second how many injuries/acts of violence you've seen take place during these demonstrations. And think how many of those were started by protesters, or how many times cops have been injured by these citizens. And then think about how many people have been sent to the hospital by these cops who are supposed to be "protecting" the people. I think its safe to say that the cops arent there to keep things peaceful. They're there to quiet these people and stop them from protesting.

And whether or not you agree with the things the people are saying.. they still have the right to say it. I think if the westboro (Sp?) Baptist church is allowed to protest at military funerals, and be protected by law. Then people standing up against corruption in the govt should be allowed to have those same rights. And the fact that they are blocking off streets because of there numbers ought to say something.. Like perhaps this idea has some merit seeing as though there are seas of people showing up across the nation to stand together on the issue.

And as for this specific video. Again, I dont think there was a need for any violence to take place here. Lethal or not. And seeing a guy unconscious on the ground.. it only seems logical that a flashbang beside his face would only be detrimental to his well-being. He saw why the people were running back (to help), and he threw it anyway. So lets just say for argument sake that the first one shot point blank at head level to the audience was necessary. And giving that kid a skull fracture needed to happen because of reasons unknown to me.. Id say one should suffice. There comes a point when we have to realize, the people doing the most damage are not the ones pooping in streets. Its the ones sending people away in ambulances to have brain surgery. But thats just my opinions. We are all entitled to our own. Part of that freedom of speech thing

Dude... Check your inbox!

[Sam Weston]

If you play with fire you get burnt...

[Jonathan Wylie]

Did you know the most common microphone is the cardio pick up type, 100% used in flip cameras and phones. Its has a directional pick up pattern that is nothing like human hearing, which is omnidirectional. Did you also know that AGC (Automatic Gain Control) will attenuate all other sounds to keep the loudest sound within dynamic range of the recording system. Its the reason why you can hear the megaphone clear and all else drops away.

Humans do not hear sound with their ears, they hear with their minds, the state of mind when hearing sounds affects the information one is able to process. In a emotionally charged situation your hearing and ability to process verbal information is almost nil.

Your logic isn't logic at all.

So a "cardio" mic only picks up the sound if it is facing the source and humans hear omnidirectional meaning they would hear it no matter what direction they were facing.

AGC keeps the loudest sound and the bull horn was audible on the video so...the bull horn was the loudest sound.

that is logic, You fucking genius!

"Humans do not hear sound with their ears, they hear with their minds, the state of mind when hearing sounds affects the information one is able to process. In a emotionally charged situation your hearing and ability to process verbal information is almost nil."

Complete bullshit! I would say moving through a burning building looking for victims is an "emotionally charged situation" and fire fighters have the ability to communicate over the sound of high pressure water streams an scba, p.a.s.s devices going off diesel engines running and with there ears covered in Nomex. That is first hand knowledge not some convoluted bullshit theory.

[Jonathan Wylie]

In attempts to have an intelligent conversation on the issue. Im going to toss my 2 cents in and see what comes back. I think there's a good chance people may have heard the warning. I mean as soon as armed security with riot shields show up and cage you in.. chances are you know somethings going down. BUT.. even if they did hear.. I dont necessarily think that means they should have left.

I dont think its acceptable to allow police, or anyone else, to demand you give up your right to free speech/protest with threats of violence. People have the right to be heard. And for those saying that you can be heard from your house, and that you dont need to occupy public places.. Let's think logically here. Had these people been at home writing emails to congress, or sending tweets to the people in wallstreet.. we would have never heard of any of them. And none of this would have gotten any attention. There is power in numbers. People realize they can make a bigger difference together than they can by themselves. Or protesting in one of their backyards on private property.

And as for the police. They are here to protect us. And before you talk about "protecting" other citizens rights not involved in this movement. Think for a second how many injuries/acts of violence you've seen take place during these demonstrations. And think how many of those were started by protesters, or how many times cops have been injured by these citizens. And then think about how many people have been sent to the hospital by these cops who are supposed to be "protecting" the people. I think its safe to say that the cops arent there to keep things peaceful. They're there to quiet these people and stop them from protesting.

And whether or not you agree with the things the people are saying.. they still have the right to say it. I think if the westboro (Sp?) Baptist church is allowed to protest at military funerals, and be protected by law. Then people standing up against corruption in the govt should be allowed to have those same rights. And the fact that they are blocking off streets because of there numbers ought to say something.. Like perhaps this idea has some merit seeing as though there are seas of people showing up across the nation to stand together on the issue.

And as for this specific video. Again, I dont think there was a need for any violence to take place here. Lethal or not. And seeing a guy unconscious on the ground.. it only seems logical that a flashbang beside his face would only be detrimental to his well-being. He saw why the people were running back (to help), and he threw it anyway. So lets just say for argument sake that the first one shot point blank at head level to the audience was necessary. And giving that kid a skull fracture needed to happen because of reasons unknown to me.. Id say one should suffice. There comes a point when we have to realize, the people doing the most damage are not the ones pooping in streets. Its the ones sending people away in ambulances to have brain surgery. But thats just my opinions. We are all entitled to our own. Part of that freedom of speech thing

Its a lot easier to listen to your opinion since you didn't try to hit me with some bullshit excuse and admit that they probably realized they were putting themselves in danger.

[Jonathan Wylie]

just my 2 cents from what ive seen here in montreal. The people protesting here are all the hippie types not even the homeless, the types that come out to protest because they have nothing better to do/have no idea why they are even there to begin with. I get that people dont have jobs so they are protesting in places new york that makes sense. however here and other canadian cities (and im assuming alot of american protesters in the us) dont even have any sort of plan to "occupy wallstreet". I just saw a video the other day of protesters occupying some church in vancouver that had to be closed down indefinitely until the protesters leave and none of them no what they are doing there. Basically what im saying is without wall street, a free market and everything else the country would not even be running to begin with so the majority of the protesters are simply wasting everyones time and tax payer dollars to pay the riot police. They have no plan to change things yet they plan on staying there for months. Well see how they last hear in the winter.

I have asked twice on this thread if anybody knew what they were protesting in Oakland and nobody has attempted to answer me.

Does anybody here realize that it was a Canadian magazine website that conceived the idea of "Occupy Wallstreet" why are Canadians suggesting what Americans should protest? If somebody wants to truly report what is going on at these protests why don't they ask randomly selected people what they are protesting and what changes they propose take place. I would like to hear there educated intelligent answers as to how they think the economy could be fixed. Regardless of my previous posts I do have compassion for this guy and his family but he had a good job and was probably receiving military benefits so I wonder what his motivation was for being down there?

[Jonathan Wylie]

If you play with fire you get burnt...

It makes it hard to sympathise.

The thing is there are cops who abuse there power and that may very well be the case here but I don't like the way people automatically blame the cops. Just like there are bad cops I'm sure there are people down there calling there selves protesters and doing nothing but causing trouble. I have seen more than one video including the one in question showing "protesters" throwing stuff at cops and disrupting police barricades. Doing these things or failing to separate your self from these people causes unnecessary problems that do not help your cause. Hence "If you play with fire you get burnt"

[Isaiah Mendoza]

I have asked twice on this thread if anybody knew what they were protesting in Oakland and nobody has attempted to answer me.

Does anybody here realize that it was a Canadian magazine website that conceived the idea of "Occupy Wallstreet" why are Canadians suggesting what Americans should protest? If somebody wants to truly report what is going on at these protests why don't they ask randomly selected people what they are protesting and what changes they propose take place. I would like to here there educated intelligent answers as to how they think the economy could be fixed. Regardless of my previous posts I do have compassion for this guy and his family but he had a good job and was probably receiving military benefits so I wonder what his motivation was for being down there?

They are protesting corporate lobbying to influence political decisions, along with other things, but that is the main thing they are protesting. For example, obama was given over a million dollars from goldman sachs in campaign contributions, along with other banking institutions. Officially bitchmade by the money he received, he then proceeded to give them bailout money, which the CEO's used to give themselves bonuses instead of contributing to the economy.

Bush's top 5 campaign contributions came from Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, PricewaterhouseCoopers, UBS AG, and Goldman Sachs all giving him park estimates of 500 grand each. Guess who became his treasury secretary in 2006? Henry Paulson, Goldman Sachs CEO and former head chairman.

So guess what henry paulson does when he becomes chairman? He pushes for bailouts, along with fed chairman ben Bernanke which bush greenlights.

Obama does the same thing when he gets into office.

now let's look at the results of the recent audit of the fed, on october 28 (the first audit ever).

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2011/oct/...illion-to-and/

"Congress and we the people were told that in accord with the 2008 Troubled Asset Relief Program, $800 billion was given to failing banks and businesses. The audit makes that a lie.The audit lists the recipients of the $16 trillion of loans on page 131. Goldman Sachs received $814 billion, Citigroup $2.5 trillion, Morgan Stanley $2.04 trillion, Royal Bank of Scotland and Deutsche Bank of Germany split about $1 trillion, UBS of Switzerland $287 billion, etc. The loans were made from December 2007 to June 2010 at near zero interest and virtually none have been repaid."

Allright so that was in 2008. Bush was in office. let's go back to Bush's top 5 contributers. Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, PricewaterhouseCoopers, UBS AG, and Goldman Sachs. See any correlation there?

Obama is just as bad. He says he supports what the protesters stand for, but takes millions of dollars in lobbying money from the banks, and supports bailout plans which essentially steal from the people.