Marcelo on Judo vs Wrestling. Hmmm....

[Ric]

[QUOTE=rock d;100864]The feeling I get from Marcelo is that in his heart he has no use for the gi, and he only wears one out of tradition so he doesn't have to be a rebel.

As a Marcelo student who doesn't take Gi class, I've discussed Gi vs No Gi with Marcelo many times. Marcelo definitely likes the Gi and sees no real difference in training with it or without it. As seen on this video showing Marcelo's training camp for the No Gi ADCC competition, Marcelo trains in Gi even when he's preparing for No Gi competition.

http://www.graciemag.com/en/2011/11/...th-adcc-title/

[DesiCuellar]

It's just one more reason why Marcelo's game is exactly the same in the gi vs. no-gi. These videos are outtake sessions from his new book, where Waitzkin and Marcelo go out of their way to explain the philosophy behind his training. It's really awesome, and I recommend his new book to anyone. I'm convinced that a huge part of his success is that he isn't tied to the idea of having to use any specific techniques.

Aside from having the same game regardless of what he's wearing, he also does not ever study opponents, as he feels it would be playing into their game. He wants to pull people into his game, so he doesn't care to watch tape at all, except to see how people start the match off. He also doesn't watch other matches at tournaments he competes in. He also keeps his same schedule regardless of the upcoming tournament. So he always rolls gi and no-gi, no matter if ADCC is coming up or if it's the Mundials. He keeps the ball in his court.

Awesome stuff.

http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Brazi...2079598&sr=8-1

you just gave me chills thats so savage....

[Jason Mallory]

[QUOTE=Ric;101086]

The feeling I get from Marcelo is that in his heart he has no use for the gi, and he only wears one out of tradition so he doesn't have to be a rebel.

As a Marcelo student who doesn't take Gi class, I've discussed Gi vs No Gi with Marcelo many times. Marcelo definitely likes the Gi and sees no real difference in training with it or without it. As seen on this video showing Marcelo's training camp for the No Gi ADCC competition, Marcelo trains in Gi even when he's preparing for No Gi competition.

Interesting that Marcelo makes a distinction between Judo takedowns with the Gi and Wrestling takedowns without the Gi. The difference training with or without the Gi is greater on the ground than standing in my opinion. Marcelo's game is not Gi reliant and the reason he can do both equally well from what I can see.

[Jason Hyatt]

Herzog has done a really nice job of integrating no-gi judo into MMA and grappling -- especially integrating the throw, pass, and position after takedown. He never just teaches the throw for the sake of the takedown. It's always throwing for position. He's got a great vid of a drop seoi nage to d'arce choke but I don't know if he's done any other no-gi judo vids. My judo is awful ('cause I don't work on it!) but I think it's good to have more options than having to shoot for a takedown and it certainly can be trained no-gi.

[Danny Stolfi]

He definitely believes in the gi.
Start at 3:38
The best I've heard the Gi, No-Gi argument explained is by Braulio on Rolled Up. If you haven't seen that, you should watch it.

[ifreez]

The best I've heard the Gi, No-Gi argument explained is by Braulio on Rolled Up. If you haven't seen that, you should watch it.

Bias opinion is bias..

[Mike Nall]

Bias opinion is bias..

But Braulio in his favor does speak from a great position. Dude won ADCC in his weight and the ABsolute, subbing almost everyone including Marcelo, and just beat Jacare in no-gi ADCC Superfight. He's a fucking animal without the gi. He's a top 3 submission grappler on earth no argument at al.

he advocated doing both by the way, as do most elite level players. He didn't hate on no-gi at all.

[James Fazzolari]

Great video, thanks for sharing

[The kza]

if you think that training in only one of the other is better you are just flat out wrong.

Training in both is superior to one or the other. common logic. the more perspectives you can get, the better. sambo, judo, wrestling, bjj, and 10th planet = ownage.

[Ben]

But Braulio in his favor does speak from a great position. Dude won ADCC in his weight and the ABsolute, subbing almost everyone including Marcelo, and just beat Jacare in no-gi ADCC Superfight. He's a fucking animal without the gi. He's a top 3 submission grappler on earth no argument at al.

he advocated doing both by the way, as do most elite level players. He didn't hate on no-gi at all.

His opinion is biased because he's been training with the gi his entire life, and most people who do that have nice things to say about it.

He tried to approach the issue in a logical way, and didn't come off hating on anything, which was nice, but it was still a flawed argument. He said the Gi makes you better NoGi because it forces you to be smart: an argument I'm sure we've all heard before. You can't just yank out of a submission, sweat won't save you, etc. Here is the issue: The gi forcing you to have good technique is a terrible argument because a good instructor and a good student should be working to this goal no matter the uniform. If that argument is true, it is better to enter JJ with 0 strength or flexibility, right? With no physical abilities at all, you'll be forced to always user proper basics and fundamentals to win. But we all know that's shit. A strong guy just needs to not muscle it, a flexible guy still needs to work his basics and not only rely on his dexterity, and a guy with no gi needs to focus on not just yanking out of stuff. However, you also SHOULD use these attributes once in competition. If you can muscle a guy for a win, why not? If you can rely on your flexibility to smash a guy, why not? And if you're about to get tapped and there is enough sweat or room to yank out, then god damn you better just yank like your life depended on it. Arguments regarding that you need the gi to get good at technique, or even that it helps, are very incorrect imo, for that reason.

As far as just wearing a gi and using no-gi grips so you never have to adjust but at the same time letting them grab yours so your escapes are harder: That doesn't make you better at escaping, it makes you better at escaping in the gi. If there is a simpler, faster escape method no gi that still works no matter the sweat level, better to just learn that then all the collar-grip breaks. Again, just how it seems logically, but people will always listen to the winners even if their arguments don't follow logic.