Rener Gracie speaks on Eddie Bravo

[Stewart Landry]

To Mr Landry's point, the story of the bouncer and RNC to me perfectly illustrates my argument and even the principle difference between the Helio-descendant way of thinking and 10P. The Helio, or his sons answer to the same situation, "Why isn't the technique working?" (the RNC on the massive bouncer) would be "The move was not done at the right time" they would go on to explain that every technique, even the RNC has loopholes to be exploited and that a opponent, especially larger and stronger would need to be sufficiently exhausted before a smaller person (like Eddie) has a chance of completing the submission. The 10P answer to the situation is, do reps over and over to develops strength until your "squeeze" is sufficient to complete the move on the desired opponent. If Helio or his direct lineage were to be in the same situation, it's unlikely they would have tried to RNC a fully rested, massive opponent who EXPECTS the RNC. GJJ practicioner's would opt to have the bouncer attempt to beat or submit them, at the point of exhaustion, possibly apply a submission or escape, 10P does not follow that same old-school philosophy. It's also unfair to liken the bouncer-RNC story to a woman's self defense. No woman is going to hop on the back of a massive bouncer and try to apply a submission the assailant KNOWS is coming. A woman's self defense system needs to be based on ability to survive and escape without exhausting, not on building the required attributes to mount an offensive.

LOL the right time ... dude the guy LET him put the choke on it wasnt a match ... and technique wasnt the issue ...'wait til he isnt expecting it ... how are you going to do that wait til he is asleep ... I still believe that Jiu Jitsu is the best art for self defense especially for smaller people ... you arent gonna trade shots with a much larger frame and expect to do well unless you are much better ... but fi you dont think there is an element of truth to the working on squeeze and core ... If you dont believe that the Gracies had mad core strength etc from repping out and sparring lots then thats too bad for you... As for saying that we dont follow the same principles to "cook"an opponent ... thats not true ... I cook larger guys all the time .... and you cant cook everyone ..... In Royces match against a much more athletic Matt Hughes (and Im by no stretch a Hughes fan) where was the cooking and the right time ...you cant ignore conditioning and reps ... and truly believe you can go out and beat people in any situation. Again you dont pick your opponent on the street, you cant choose his physical attributes or his knowledge, so if you really want to be prepared then work care and rep. As for do reps over and over ... yeah Gracies do that too ... its called muscle memory ... you have to have your body trained to respond like Pavlovs dog to situations, I dont want to think about how to do an arm bar ... I perform one. Add stress and adrenaline and you better intrinsically know what you are doing ... Next add in real life ... adrenaline dumps will cook you ... if you dont compete , and or you dont have core stregth and cardio then you are gonna get "cooked" yourself. You've truly over simplified the thing. At the time that Eddie did this he was a blue belt under JJ Machado .... wait isnt that a direct descendant of GJJ .... He wasnt developing his own system at the time, he was using the system as it was ... Also check Eddies interviews ... not a direct quote but "I didnt worry about what Royler looked like, he wasnt yoked and I thought I could do this, but when I gripped up with him it was like he had alien arms ..." core strength from years of training and reps and conditioning. Your last point, yeah survival ... totally agreed and if I train in a manner that doesnt reflect the needed result then it wont be effective ... I might as well go back to doing TKD patterns in my basement and pretend its gonna slaughter any who oppose me ... The Gracies brought to us something amazing and pointed out the need to change traditional martial artists perception of how to train ... and IMO then stopped the progress themselves, or at least slowed it do to close mindedness, it is by far one of the most complete singular arts out there I admit ... but things have to evolve.

[Bill Keeling]

In life you evolve or you don't... In Jiu Jitsu you evolve or you don't.... You have to evolve to adapt and overcome your environment or your environment overcomes you... We are all after a beautiful journey through Jiu Jitsu, this is accomplished through learning and progressing together! Sharing our knowledge without EGO's! That's what is best for Jiu Jitsu, and for it's students. Loose the hate and try to get back in love with "OUR" art! Absolutely outstanding comments Stewart!

[Cody Kietzman]

In life you evolve or you don't... In Jiu Jitsu you evolve or you don't.... You have to evolve to adapt and overcome your environment or your environment overcomes you... We are all after a beautiful journey through Jiu Jitsu, this is accomplished through learning and progressing together! Sharing our knowledge without EGO's! That's what is best for Jiu Jitsu, and for it's students. Loose the hate and try to get back in love with "OUR" art! Absolutely outstanding comments Stewart!

It's like i always say "ADAPT OR DIE" it applies to all things!

[Chris Herzog]

Thanks for the support, Lindsey. However I have to disagree with you 100%. If you think criminals are not training and advancing their skills as well, you've sadly mistaken. The reality is that criminals are evolving as well, they train, and they train hard. I worked in the criminal justice and human services field for 15 years. Some of the strongest most intense people I've met in my life are criminals and those with mental health disorders. Your fat lard with a few years of Jiu Jitsu that gets assaulted by one or more of these animals if going to be a victim like everyone else, unless his training is as close to real violence as possible. Your body won't hold up to that kind of serious training unless you have a serious conditioning and restorative program in your training regiment. Someone who is subject to explosive violence daily will always have an advantage over those that don't. Technique is only part of the solution. Training the body to respond under severe duress requires you to optimize your output, and that can only be done in high stress situations if your body has the tools to use that technique.
A large portion of a true strength and conditioning program should be mental toughness as well as physical. Becoming comfortable with the uncomfortable should be a major objective in a real conditioning program. This applies directly to sport fighting and real word combatives.

The propaganda that technique alone will overcome size, explosiviness and shear violence has been used as a marketing ploy for years.

If this was the case weight classes in combat sports like Jiu Jitsu and MMA wouldn't exist.

[Stewart Landry]

Thanks for the support, Lindsey. However I have to disagree with you 100%. If you think criminals are not training and advancing their skills as well, you've sadly mistaken. The reality is that criminals are evolving as well, they train, and they train hard. I worked in the criminal justice and human services field for 15 years. Some of the strongest most intense people I've met in my life are criminals and those with mental health disorders. Your fat lard with a few years of Jiu Jitsu that gets assaulted by one or more of these animals if going to be a victim like everyone else, unless his training is as close to real violence as possible. Your body won't hold up to that kind of serious training unless you have a serious conditioning and restorative program in your training regiment. Someone who is subject to explosive violence daily will always have an advantage over those that don't. Technique is only part of the solution. Training the body to respond under severe duress requires you to optimize your output, and that can only be done in high stress situations if your body has the tools to use that technique.
A large portion of a true strength and conditioning program should be mental toughness as well as physical. Becoming comfortable with the uncomfortable should be a major objective in a real conditioning program. This applies directly to sport fighting and real word combatives.

The propaganda that technique alone will overcome size, explosiviness and shear violence has been used as a marketing ploy for years.

If this was the case weight classes in combat sports like Jiu Jitsu and MMA wouldn't exist.

+1

[David Rosado]

Damn coach that's scary ish. Hey, at the very least, like I told you, I might go down as a victim, but I'll make sure that dude remembers me. lol.

I guess preparedness doesn't guarantee success. But at least it'll give you a fighting chance.

[Cody Kietzman]

Damn coach that's scary ish. Hey, at the very least, like I told you, I might go down as a victim, but I'll make sure that dude remembers me. lol.

That's what she said! <---(rape joke)

[David Rosado]

That's what she said! <---(rape joke)

LMAO damn I set myself up for that one. SMH.

[10th Planet Riverside, Ca]

Thanks for the support, Lindsey. However I have to disagree with you 100%. If you think criminals are not training and advancing their skills as well, you've sadly mistaken. The reality is that criminals are evolving as well, they train, and they train hard. I worked in the criminal justice and human services field for 15 years. Some of the strongest most intense people I've met in my life are criminals and those with mental health disorders. Your fat lard with a few years of Jiu Jitsu that gets assaulted by one or more of these animals if going to be a victim like everyone else, unless his training is as close to real violence as possible. Your body won't hold up to that kind of serious training unless you have a serious conditioning and restorative program in your training regiment. Someone who is subject to explosive violence daily will always have an advantage over those that don't. Technique is only part of the solution. Training the body to respond under severe duress requires you to optimize your output, and that can only be done in high stress situations if your body has the tools to use that technique.
A large portion of a true strength and conditioning program should be mental toughness as well as physical. Becoming comfortable with the uncomfortable should be a major objective in a real conditioning program. This applies directly to sport fighting and real word combatives.

The propaganda that technique alone will overcome size, explosiviness and shear violence has been used as a marketing ploy for years.

If this was the case weight classes in combat sports like Jiu Jitsu and MMA wouldn't exist.

We have prison guards and prison nurses that go to Riverside 10th Planet.
You should here the stories about how the prisoners trains to fight the guards.
Con are violent. They don't care about tapping or giving up. They will kill you
and have no remorse.

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[PatrickBJJ777]

Nice to see a non-bitchy evaluation of Eddies system.