asian man uses lockdown against Rickson Gracie

[Andrew "Chewie" James]

asian man uses lockdown against Rickson Gracie in some old vale tudo footage of Rickson




the part im talking about appears earlier but you get a good view at 3:16 mark

[Jason "Kermit" Frayer]

That's not "the lockdown" per say. It's just how Judo guys roll.

[David Rosado]

That's not "the lockdown" per say. It's just how Judo guys roll.

This.

Remember, Eddie didn't invent EVERYTHING. Some things are renamed to make the easier to remember.

[Andrew "Chewie" James]

its pretty damn close to the lock down, and i've trained judo for 12 years this year and ive never seen that done in a judo competiton nor in open mat time in fact never seen that done untill i heard about the 10th planet system

[Jonathan Wylie]

its pretty damn close to the lock down, and i've trained judo for 12 years this year and ive never seen that done in a judo competiton nor in open mat time in fact never seen that done untill i heard about the 10th planet system

It is the exact same technique and yes it did come from judo.

[Andrew "Chewie" James]

t is the exact same technique and yes it did come from judo.

thats cool i come from a sports competition judo background where Katame-waza (grappling techniques) are not taught very much, and i not saying and this is just for me that i know everything about judo because i dont, i am however saying that in all of my experience that i have never ran into this technique before.

[Chris Herzog]

Actually the "lockdown" is common in Judo. Its used mostly as a stall tactic to get a stand up restart during newaza.Its very difficult to pass in the short period Judo allows to show progress, which is necessary to keep the match going on the ground. However its not as developed as you see it in 10th Planet System which includes an entire system of sweeps, submissions and transtions, this is not to say they aren't sweeps used off the Lockdown in Judo, just that its more common used as a stall tactic for the restart. As a historical note Eddie learned the lockdown from "Judo" Gene Lebell.

[Andrew "Chewie" James]

this is pretty cool i'm learning stuff about judo i didn't even know in this forum, however i think and this is only my opionion saying a particular move is common is slightly untrue because judo has eveolved since it left japan and every country has style of doing certain things differently. i rember a little while ago i went to a seminar to see a high level japanese jujitsu practitioner his name is O'Sensei Alexey Kunin and one of the things we was talking to us about is why there are so many different styles of jujitsu and how they mirror the strengths and weaknesses of the person created it, modified it, etc, and i believe this is the same for judo or any other martial art alot of most peoples style is based on their instructors style which goes on and on. so if a person start a new club if their ot so good a certain things they wont teach them as much and over time they might not get taught at all.

anyway thats just my hypothesis on why i haven't see this move in judo, if you don;t agree thats your prerogative, and if you have evidence to the contrary post it i'm more than willing to listen well read but you get what i mean.

[Chris Herzog]

Well having 20 years in Judo, being a 4th Degree Blackbelt , an international competitor, and an instructor at a international training camp for 8 years offers a bit of insight into what’s common at high level competitions.

[Andrew "Chewie" James]

all right i concede and will simply revise my original statement and say that in south australia its not a well know a techinique and that i know no one who teaches that technique, and that all of the judokas who i train with hadn't seen that technique before either