
Originally Posted by
chronic_jiujitsu
When he "swings the unit in".. Isnt that sort of setting yourself up for a meathook, carny, flying anything.. Or if his hands are still clasped behind your head.. wouldnt that meathook be turned into rubber guard very quickly?
I'm not saying that Rener's moves won't work - they will - but you are right about the bottom player having the option to attack. Notice that when the guy on top swings his leg in, he pulls the guy on bottom to his hips - which is exactly where the guy with the lockdown wants to be. You can attack a lot easier on your hips. Since one leg is trapped underneath the opponent, a carney or a meathook are probably the best options from here for the guy on bottom.
Better yet, why wait for the top player to swing his leg in. If the guy on bottom overhooks his opponent's right arm (the guy in the video does not take the overhook) he can move from the lockdown to the super stomp, and from the super stomp go straight to the meathook or maybe even a gogo plata.
Shigeki can easily go straight from lockdown to the meathook but that's Shigeki.