Lockdown help

[10thPlanet Leo]

I'm a white belt in a school that does not train 10th planet but I found myself using 10p techniques naturally (although totally wrong and sloppy the idea was there) after little while studying videos and the Books I am coming along well and using a lot of the stuff on my opponents my issue is when I use the lockdown some people despite me having the double underhooks reach down hug both legs and escape leaving me totally screwed.

What are my options here? Aside from going to the Whip Up faster? Assume it's failed and my legs have been grabed what's the plan B? (not THE Plan B haha) thanks!!

[Craig Murray]

Being another whitebelt in a similar position, I can relate, and also not offer you any high-level advice. But for what it's worth my experience is that you must get off your back as fast as possible. If you are flattened out, lockdown or not, it's going to go badly. Especially if the guy is bigger, stronger, more experienced... Just get on your side, either side, as fast as possible.

Another option is to transition when they start messing around and trying to open my lockdown. A lot of times guys will go cross-body on me, turning their head toward my lockdown. That sometimes opens a hole on the other side and I can slip my leg out and go immediately into full guard, then transition to Rubber Guard. Another transition option is super-stomp into butterfly.

You gotta be active... use the lockdown to move them around. You can drag guys all over the mat with that lockdown. But if you chill out flat on your back, they will open it and pass.

[10thPlanet Leo]

Thanks very much I stay as active as possible and generally this happens either after a failed Whip up or its is so fast I don't even get the chance, my only hope so far is to pull my legs out as quickly as possible and try to avoid him getting side on top of me. I am going to keep a look out for that whole when they attempt to grab my legs

[BradEdmondson]

I'm a white belt in a school that does not train 10th planet but I found myself using 10p techniques naturally (although totally wrong and sloppy the idea was there) after little while studying videos and the Books I am coming along well and using a lot of the stuff on my opponents my issue is when I use the lockdown some people despite me having the double underhooks reach down hug both legs and escape leaving me totally screwed.

What are my options here? Aside from going to the Whip Up faster? Assume it's failed and my legs have been grabed what's the plan B? (not THE Plan B haha) thanks!!

Is it like he's turning his back to you almost, is he putting a shoulder in your face, how's he grabbing the legs? A lot of the time, anytime I'm in real trouble I bail to rubberguard if possible but sometimes it's not and you may have to switch to dogfight. Being active and getting on your side as soon as possible is really important, that could be the difference too. Like Craig said be active and float them around. That's the best advice I have for ya anyways, I'd have to see it to really say much more. If it keeps happening and you get stuck I'd say take a video showing the exact spot that's a problem.

[ml82]

If you have double unders and he's able to reach your legs, either he has super long arms, or your double unders are weak.

If you have double unders, that should prevent him from grabbing your legs. Maybe your double unders aren't high enough. My underhooks are usually at their arm pits and I'm s-gripping or gable gripping high up on their back.

But to answer your question, if he has a hold of your legs or hips, I would imagine he's going for a buttock compressor, if that's the case, release your lockdown and stiff arm his head, and escape, stand back up, reset.

[Solicit]

First thing I would say is stretch the lockdown out and pinch your knees as tight as you can at all times. Don't stay crunched up or keep your legs close to them. As soon as you close the lockdown, you should pinch your knees and stretch it out, then start whipping! Check out the Lockdown flow chart in the technique guide.

[Rockanrollin]

First thing I would recommend is study the lock down flow chart. Dial in on those transitions and you will be folding dudes up in no time.

[HerbChao]

First thing I would recommend is study the lock down flow chart.

That, and get the VIP membership (trust me the $5 is very worth it and more) and try to absorb as many of the lockdown and HG episodes as you can (I think the recent one Eddie goes over some lockdown/HG basics).

In terms of my experience, you def can't stall in lockdown (or any HG). Once you secure the lockdown and get the double unders you need to decide right there if you're going for the whip or are you going to try to fight to full guard). If you try to use it too much to rest then a high level grappler is going use either that pass you describe (I believe it's the buttocks compressor) or they're turn to one hip and sprawl heavy on you, go no-hand pass (I call it the GSP pass cause he used it on Dan Hardy and BJ Penn) or if they study the system too go Twister pass. All of which are bad for you.

ANyhoo hope the above and everyone else's help, be curious to see what other's experiences and suggestions are. Some folks still criticize HG (esp lockdown) but as long as you keep drilling it, be willing to learn from mistakes, etc eventually people will start to avoid your HG (and then you get to work something different!).

[apygav]

I like to counter the Buttock compressor by anticipating his downward movement, whipping down and getting my under hook or under hooks back from there I start my Lockdown game or switch to RG - if get stays tight or I miss my opportunity to whip I would go into wrestler mode and push off the head and try to scrabble for a good position - if all else fails I keep the pimp arm strong and recover guard as he / she passes

[Solicit]

or if they study the system too go Twister pass. All of which are bad for you.

If they turn and try to go twister pass, you can look for the Apollo to arm triangle. It's there if they aren't controlling your wrist.