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    Dead orchard for small dudes?

    Hello guys.

    I really like the dead orchard position. To me its the most beatufil position of close guard.
    Although i like it, its really hard to me to get it on big guys or guys my size. I usually get it on girls or small dudes.

    Im 1,70m 78kg and 14% bodyfat. Is my bodytype not good for this position? I feel like i have to short and big legs

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    10P Ronin
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    Singapore
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    Hello! I'm a short guy, around 1.67m and 65kgs. I face the same problem too! Though what I learnt, if I can hit it , it's a bonus, else I just use it as a set up for a triangle, cos either way, the guy's gonna get caught in something.

    just a thought though, maybe the higher belts have a more technical solution! ;p

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    Sportschule Kaminari, future 10th Planet Düsseldorf
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    Düsseldorf
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    I think Eddie uses Muddy waters to get the DO. Other setups might only work for long people

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    10th Planet San Francisco
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    sf
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    come on guys its hard to close regular triangles on guys with broad shoulders same goes for this.... im sure there is a magic leg length to shoulder width ratio, but we would also have to factor your leg thickness...

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    Ronin @ Ion BJJ
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    Sulphur Springs, TX
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    As Master Eddie says, you have to go the Mexican (or Asian in my case) route through muddy waters. It can be done, but it is definitely harder. Almost everyone I roll with is huge in comparison to me, so dead orchards are few and far between. But, it doesn’t mean I don’t try if the opportunity presents itself.

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    10th Planet Altoona
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    Iowa City, IA
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    Just keep drilling. I have really short legs, but when I can hit the proper angle I have no problem.

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    10th Planet Birmingham / Banbury uk
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    Birmingham UK
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    Muddy waters for us small dudes

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