No gi vs Gi?!?

[Emir Mehovic]

leave your opinions on gi vs no gi or why you should train both

Here is the perfect analogy imo

Trying to learn no-gi first, is like trying to learn chess by only playing speed chess on a really really short clock.

You have such little time to think, because its so fast and furious, that it takes forever to pick anything up.

A beginner chess player needs to sit there and really take their time and THINK about every move for 5,10,20 minutes + if they want to REALLY get good.

A guy stuck playing speed chess his entire life will never develop into a good chess player without playing the LOOONG SLOOOW games where you develop strategy, and not just short term tactics. The time to think is the time to learn.

The GI is a training tool that slows things down enough that YOU CAN LEARN *more* effectively.

another analogy:
Find someone who has never played guitar hero (and games like it).
Make them start playing the game on the highest expert level ONLY.
See how fast they progress compared to someone who is allowed to play it SLOW first

Im not saying you cant get good doing only no-gi, but its the SLOWER learning path

" Its CRUCIAL to train with the GI to have the finest technique." - Marcelo Garcia

what is evreyones opinion on Gi vs No gi?

[Scott Philips]

Gi and Nogi. The vs is kind of unnecessary.

[Emir Mehovic]

the whole point of the thread is to see peoples opinions on if you should just train gi,no gi,or both...

[Emir Mehovic]

and why ^

[Scott Philips]

Both. Gi makes your nogi better. Nogi makes your gi better. More matches. More mat time. More medals. Need I say more? Each has pros and cons. All in all, it's just jiu jitsu.

[Aab]

leave your opinions on gi vs no gi or why you should train both

Here is the perfect analogy imo

Trying to learn no-gi first, is like trying to learn chess by only playing speed chess on a really really short clock.

You have such little time to think, because its so fast and furious, that it takes forever to pick anything up.

A beginner chess player needs to sit there and really take their time and THINK about every move for 5,10,20 minutes + if they want to REALLY get good.

A guy stuck playing speed chess his entire life will never develop into a good chess player without playing the LOOONG SLOOOW games where you develop strategy, and not just short term tactics. The time to think is the time to learn.

The GI is a training tool that slows things down enough that YOU CAN LEARN *more* effectively.

another analogy:
Find someone who has never played guitar hero (and games like it).
Make them start playing the game on the highest expert level ONLY.
See how fast they progress compared to someone who is allowed to play it SLOW first

Im not saying you cant get good doing only no-gi, but its the SLOWER learning path

" Its CRUCIAL to train with the GI to have the finest technique." - Marcelo Garcia

what is evreyones opinion on Gi vs No gi?

Well your comparison to chess is okay but in chess you always review your games after your done if you want to improve. Doesn't matter if its blitz, bullet , or standard time controls. Taken that into consideration consider this. You may play a game of chess to where each player has 60 minutes to move. So not only do you have more time to think about strategy so does your opponent. Although the analogy to chess is a bit exaggerated when comparing to Jiu Jitsu. There isn't THAT much difference in Gi and no Gi. But I agree with Scott no vs. Just do both if thats what makes you feel like what you need

[Jason Mallory]

Here are some of Eddies thoughts:

http://www.no-gi-grappling.com/no-gi-vs-gi.html

Here are some of mine:

http://www.no-gi-grappling.com/no-gi-vs-gi-2.html

http://www.no-gi-grappling.com/no-gi.html

[D.Stachovak]

Seems to me you've already given your own opinion. Mine:they're two different sports. With all due respect to the Marcelo Garcia quote,grappling for MMA is waaay different than tournament 'jits.

[Rick O'Connor]

I think it just really depends on what you want to do with your jitz. Are you gonna use it for MMA? Then nogi is probably better to prepare you since MMA is without a gi. Purely for sport? Then who cares, do both. For self defense, they are both ok.

[derrick ikwueme]

self defense ? GI mma ? no Gi, for a complete game, do both, remember the Gi simulates real life, any potential attacker will usually were a shirt, but if one or the other, choose GI, it's easy to adapt to no Gi, but it's '' funny '' to watch a strictly no Gi, player try the GI, it's like there fucking lost. there own fault for thinking there '' Too Cool '' to wear a GI