I'm pretty squarely in the technique-over-strength corner. I just don't have the athleticism (admittedly in no small part due a lack of consistent training on my part) that so many guys at the gym do have. Besides that, I really love the mental aspect of jiu jitsu. I like the chess game. I want him to know EXACTLY what it is I'm trying to do and see him helpless to stop me from imposing my will. I can't likely muscle my way through him -- I have to execute well. When I do, it's like I just won Abu Dhabi in my head. Now I can feel the same thing getting tapped. I can find myself deep in danger against Sarkis, Dennis, Scott, Ashley, Huan, ...anyone of about 15 hardcore Nibiru warriors and not panic. I look at it as a great opportunity to practice defending myself against someone who has both technique and strength over me. Your damn right I consider that a victory when I replace half guard on Sarkis when he had the mount and I can whip to my side. If that's not a victory in your book you have never rolled with Sarkis! I figure, if I can do that against him that's like swinging a weighted bat for when I'm up against somebody my size and build. So no, "winning" isn't everything to me but how I define winning probably differs from OP; I can easily win while getting tapped.