Creation Science ...

[Brian Beaumont AKA Thor]

Whatever your belief system just make sure it's yours and your willing to live and die with it. The truth is most people put more thought into programing their dvrs than what their eternal belief systems are. The end does come. My best estamate is that I've been present at the deaths of about 4500 people. Not once have I ever seen someone call out to science in their final moments. There is no double or nothing. Take some time, your worth it.

[Pete Daly]

Whatever your belief system just make sure it's yours and your willing to live and die with it. The truth is most people put more thought into programing their dvrs than what their eternal belief systems are. The end does come. My best estamate is that I've been present at the deaths of about 4500 people. Not once have I ever seen someone call out to science in their final moments. There is no double or nothing. Take some time, your worth it.

Well I would agree with your main point, that people should really research what they believe extensively, and not follow blindly. If following blindly makes people comfortable, I can understand that, but they should not expect others to do the same. As you say, the end comes for everyone, but to me, life is far more important than death, and it's what we do while we are here that counts, because we only get one chance.

[Brian Beaumont AKA Thor]

Well said.

[Aab]

I remember once I went to a Romeo and Juliet high school play for college Literature studies. When we got there we realized it was an all girl play. Being immature guys we were excited about seeing some girls kiss for we were all losers with greasy hair and haven't experienced the pleasures of drugs, fried foods, and women. Upon arrival we take our sits and lean back to enjoy the play. We have to say the ladies looked pretty nice. Finally the time came when the kissing scene was upon us. The two ladies leaned over to each other put their hands in front of their mouths and touched their faces together connecting with the hands that were covering their mouth. Wow what a shock no kiss huh. A guy in the back yelled loudly "THIS PLAY SUCKS!!!" as everyone else booed the stage for over 5 minutes. Some extra pissed off guys threw their 12 ounce coca cola cans filled with the carbonated original flavors of Dr.Pepper onto the stage. The play was canceled and most of the ladies cried.
The End

Dedicated to Timmy "Many Hands" Longacre R.I.P

[Jason Mallory]

Here's what I know. I'm not going to watch any dumbass video you post saying modern science is disproving evolution, because that's certainly not true. However, if you can find comfort in thinking you're different and believing things you see in youtube videos, that's cool. Our genome has been mapped and compared to that of chimpanzees, so you can choose not to believe that.. but it doesn't make it any less true because you prefer to ignore it.

At least make your religious arguments to support evolution.. you still can.. God could have orchestrated evolution.. Although it does show fundamentalist Christianity for the ridiculousness that it is. So don't be one of the idiots that's like, "haha, you believe in evolution".. Because it's the same thing as saying, "haha you believe in gravity".

I won't say there couldn't be some being or beings that orchestrated our existence; however, evolution is a fact and the bible is nothing but stories from primitive times of our history.

The first thing to note is that the mapping out of the human genome is not complete. DNA was not discovered until the late 70's after advances with the electron microscope. Since then only about 80-90% of the human gemone has been sequenced while only 2 chromosomes have been completed. Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes for a total of 46 so the job is far from done.

The statement that humans are 98% similar to chimpanzees is far from conclusive since neither the human nor chimp gemone with their sum total of chromosomes has been completed. Scientists are only comparing a small portion of code and assuming the overall percentage of similarity from the incomplete sequence that they have at this time.

That being said, homology between kinds of plants or animals, whether it be structural or genetic, is not proof or evolution. It supports a common designer as much as it does a common ancestor.

On top of this DNA is not designed to change, it is designed to preserve the integrity of a species. DNA is a code of information that insures the perpetuity of a species. Genetic mutation, or changing the DNA of a species results in death. There is not one recorded case of a mutation producing a new gene. Also, 98% percent of all mutations are harmful to the organism or result in death. This is why we as humans avoid nuclear radiation.

When we really look into the science of genetics and DNA we see that it could not possibly have happend by chance or the mechanism of natural selection (which does not produce new genetic material but re-organize existing code). Human DNA alone is made up of more than a billion molecules of alternating phosphate and sugar that all have to be in a precise order. DNA in humans could not have organized by chance, let alone the rest of the DNA in every living organism on this planet.

My intention in starting this thread is to share how the idea of an intelligent designer and the advances in knowledge and modern science are not at odds with each other. The surprising fact is that as our knowledge base grows the evidence is mounting AGAINST evolutionary theory and proving it to be false.

I don't know about anybody else but I'm human, I do not descend from from a monkey, ameoba or a rock 3 billion years ago.

[Daniel Valdez]

Because the burden of proof lies on the person making the claim. You can't prove that something is not real. Prove to me that Unicorns don't exist.



No Daniel, that's just reality. I respect the willingness of others to entertain and experience things that cannot be validated by our senses, great insight has been achieved by such endeavors. However, when people want to insert their non verifiable views as rules and ideals into this reality, that's when I have a problem.

God could very well exist and I could very well be wrong about every thought in my head. But, from this laptop in my loft, a god does no currently exist. I just looked towards the kitchen, and all I saw were pots, pans, and my cat trying to shit on my wood floor. (wtf)

That is your reality, it sure isn't mine. You can believe what is in front of your face and what you can touch is the only reality all you want. Who is inserting views on your reality?

As far me proving things to you, your wrong thinking that i have any burden to you or anyone else. I hold all my own burdens thank you. I put more importance in believing what I believe has been proven to me. Especially not over the internet.

You can keep the shades down on your windows, but don't blame the people outside for not being able to see.

[AJ Camacho]

That is your reality, it sure isn't mine. You can believe what is in front of your face and what you can touch is the only reality all you want. Who is inserting views on your reality?

As far me proving things to you, your wrong thinking that i have any burden to you or anyone else. I hold all my own burdens thank you. I put more importance in believing what I believe has been proven to me. Especially not over the internet.

You can keep the shades down on your windows, but don't blame the people outside for not being able to see.

It's your reality too. You face it every time you hit the mats. Of all people, athletes, grapplers, we require a complete real time connection with objective reality. You can wish for things to work a certain way and you might be right but you have to get up and deal with this world like the rest of us. No matter how many internal mental journeys you take you'll always come back to this reality.

I think you're misunderstanding the use of the word burden, because you keep repeating it. If I say, "Daniel, I have 10 dollars in my wallet." And you don't believe me then the burden of proof would be mine because I made the claim. It's nothing more complicated than that. Until I show you the ten dollars you wouldn't know that it was real and any attempts for me to use that 10 dollars for a bet against you would probably not be respected.

You lost me on your last analogy. I understood the part about how my standards of proof are acting as blinders on my metaphorical window but what does that have to do with the people "outside" and who are they? And what is outside? Yeah, you lost me.

[Daniel Valdez]

the more I separate myself from "object" reality, the more I accomplish.

[AJ Camacho]

It's "objective reality". Do you mean accomplishing things in alternate realities or accomplishments in objective reality?

[Daniel Valdez]

You lost me.
There is a lot to be said in having a strong spirit and strong mentality. These are not things that you can make strong just by touching things or mat time or paying attention to the physical world we live in.