Ancient Aliens Debunked

Originally Posted by Mitchell C

And twisting of the words is no fault of any scientist working on it.
Like I said "It's just dishonest politicians".


So...we agree then?

no we don't, again, scientist write there silly peer reviewed journals and it's taken as fact. politicians read thease journals and say hey ! heres the science and research on this subject . if the scientist didn't write " may cause " then the politician would say " does cause " cancer. why not get the facts streight before writing any fucking journal at all.
and remember the mainstream scientist & politician both have the same employer. I can't believe you'd even question this shit ! have you seen refer madness ? you do know that the government and giant industries ( tobacco) hire there own scientist to write thease silly journals. you do know that Nicola Tesla's research was shelved because his lab was funded by giant corporations right ? do you honestly think all scientist are completly honest and can't be bought off ? this is the whole reason for independent studies. in a perfect world you'd be right, but we know the world is fucked up.

Originally Posted by derrick ikwueme

no we don't, again, scientist write there silly peer reviewed journals and it's taken as fact. politicians read thease journals and say hey ! heres the science and research on this subject . if the scientist didn't write " may cause " then the politician would say " does cause " cancer. why not get the facts streight before writing any fucking journal at all.
and remember the mainstream scientist & politician both have the same employer. I can't believe you'd even question this shit ! have you seen refer madness ? you do know that the government and giant industries ( tobacco) hire there own scientist to write thease silly journals. you do know that Nicola Tesla's research was shelved because his lab was funded by giant corporations right ? do you honestly think all scientist are completly honest and can't be bought off ? this is the whole reason for independent studies. in a perfect world you'd be right, but we know the world is fucked up.

I'm not going to insult your intelligence...but it seems like you have no idea what I'm saying, you keep arguing against things I'm not even posing here.
It's fairly easy to check out whom funded certain research, and if it wildly conflicts with what we already know, and was funded by someone whom has a vested interest in skewing the numbers, then of course we can discern that something fishy is going on.

You do know that refer madness was made in 1936 right?
It was only drummed up by anyone in recent years for comedic value, as in "I can't believe people believed this shit back then".
You know, back when we thought smoking cigarettes was totally healthy?
Is it still seen as healthy now?
No.
Do Tobacco companies have billions in funds to attempt to sway scientists in saying it's healthy?
Sure.
Do scientists and health experts say it's healthy?
No.

I understand that you could say that there might be a problem in certain people going out of their way to try and pretend they have done research, but all they have done is make wild blind claims.
The problem though is that most of those that are wild and outlandish are seen as such, and are debunked and scoffed at by the scientific community at large.
It's the same reason you can find some nutty scientists whom still try and say intelligent design is a possibility, despite piles of evidence to the contrary.

Sure, you can find their work being toted on fox news or some shit, but you wont find it in a scientific journal, and using that as an example for why somehow all scientists (aside from the ones whom come up with the answers you like I assume) are sellouts who lie to you, is pretty crazy.

Originally Posted by Mitchell C

I'm not going to insult your intelligence...but it seems like you have no idea what I'm saying, you keep arguing against things I'm not even posing here.
It's fairly easy to check out whom funded certain research, and if it wildly conflicts with what we already know, and was funded by someone whom has a vested interest in skewing the numbers, then of course we can discern that something fishy is going on.

You do know that refer madness was made in 1936 right?
It was only drummed up by anyone in recent years for comedic value, as in "I can't believe people believed this shit back then".
You know, back when we thought smoking cigarettes was totally healthy?
Is it still seen as healthy now?
No.
Do Tobacco companies have billions in funds to attempt to sway scientists in saying it's healthy?
Sure.
Do scientists and health experts say it's healthy?
No.

I understand that you could say that there might be a problem in certain people going out of their way to try and pretend they have done research, but all they have done is make wild blind claims.
The problem though is that most of those that are wild and outlandish are seen as such, and are debunked and scoffed at by the scientific community at large.
It's the same reason you can find some nutty scientists whom still try and say intelligent design is a possibility, despite piles of evidence to the contrary.

Sure, you can find their work being toted on fox news or some shit, but you wont find it in a scientific journal, and using that as an example for why somehow all scientists (aside from the ones whom come up with the answers you like I assume) are sellouts who lie to you, is pretty crazy.

Dude i have a degree in applied science, i never said and will never say " all scientist are bought off" just a large number. do mainstream scientist carry value yes, but just not on this particular subject. why ? because they dismiss the subject without doing any independent research. find a mainstrean scientist that doesn't just laugh the subject off and maybe they will regain some credibility, until then there just arrogant hacks. i could care less if they agree with me or not, but they should at least give the subject an honest look, instead of just laughing it off. or avoiding the subject all together. but it is what it is and closed minds will stay closed. and if this shit ever comes out thease so called scientist will be the first dudes writing books saying " i told ya so " it's so funny how thease people really think they know everything. just like when they thought the earth was flat. and that the earth is the center of the universe. funny how the sumarians knew that wasn't true 6,000 years ago.

The "aliens came to earth and help build shit" belief has about the same level of credibility as scientology. Mitchell C, you're wasting your time bro. Just laugh and let people think what they want. I say the flying spaghetti monster helped build the pyramids, try proving that wrong.

Derrick, how can you have a degree in the sciences and not know how peer review works? I'm guessing it's an AS. Research is published then peer reviewed. How can research be peer reviewed before it's available to the scientific community?

Derrick I'm curious have you watched the film yet?

Whether you have or not I would be interested what you think of the section 'Easter Island debunked'. It's only about 4 minutes long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0QcDpmcpmo

In my opinion it's pretty conclusive how they built and moved those crazy things and the answer has been known for a long time. Yet the ancient aliens experts blatantly lie about this topic.

Originally Posted by Aaron Gustaveson

The "aliens came to earth and help build shit" belief has about the same level of credibility as scientology. Mitchell C, you're wasting your time bro. Just laugh and let people think what they want. I say the flying spaghetti monster helped build the pyramids, try proving that wrong.

Derrick, how can you have a degree in the sciences and not know how peer review works? I'm guessing it's an AS. Research is published then peer reviewed. How can research be peer reviewed before it's available to the scientific community?

hey don't be a fucking dousche

Originally Posted by James III

Derrick I'm curious have you watched the film yet?

Whether you have or not I would be interested what you think of the section 'Easter Island debunked'. It's only about 4 minutes long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0QcDpmcpmo

In my opinion it's pretty conclusive how they built and moved those crazy things and the answer has been known for a long time. Yet the ancient aliens experts blatantly lie about this topic.

yes i watched it, and read Eddies post on this because hes right, you can't believe everything scientist tell you as undenyable truth

I see what you are saying Derrick but in the case of Easter island at least it is known exactly how those statues were made and a method of moving them was demonstrated quite impressively to people who said ordinary men could never move them. To me there is no more mystery about how they were built or how they moved them. Yet many 'ancient alien experts' lie about this topic alone. Who are we supposed then to believe if both sides lie?

Originally Posted by James III

Who are we supposed then to believe if both sides lie?

you... you believe you if you really give a shit you'll go find out. a pissing contest between two scientific communities is like watchin the reb. and dems argue. who cares learn and find out for yourself.

You misunderstood my comment. I already know what I believe but was curious as to how Derrick forms his views on these matters.