The examples of anyone from the members of the Behring Family or Rener Gracie are again bjj royalty and thus command a totally different market and fee. Despite all of this, I think maybe my comments are making this thread spiral completely away from the purpose of it and that's definitely my fault. From the little exposure I've had to Coach Zog from his videos and people who have learnt from him I know he's an awesome instructor and this thread was actually about him promoting his deals which he in fact didn't even post on here out of respect for his fellow instructors (super classy, mad respect for that because I realize some of my questions were about hard figures and you were still responding to them so very much appreciated). I just questioned a comment Eddie made as someone who didn't know and is used to something different and then didn't want to leave the conversation when ideas and opinions were going back and forth because they were both interesting and engaging. I don't want to turn this into a constant debate where we all get more rooted in our current opinions. Thanks to everyone for their input, etc. Good to get perspective on things, learn some new things, and get some different ideas that deviate from my bias and perspective. Just once again wanted to state that nothing I posted reflects the thoughts or opinions of my instructor, team or teammates and all the questions I posted, comments I made, etc, are all mine. Thanks Coach Zog and everyone who responded to the whole bunch of questions I posted. I'm gonna stop posting on this so that people can get back to discussing Zog and his excellent seminars