The Happy Meal Combo

[Isaac Atley]

I am seriously suggesting you should take a few minutes to try any move that you think could have potential. This might not work for 9 out of 10 guys, but it can click with one. This isn't a go-to technique of mine, I never said it was. It makes way more sense for me to post a video of a new move and see it grow from there.
Because, why not?
You can have your vetting process. I'll take every bit of jiu jitsu information I can and vet it myself on the mats.
Anything less than that to me is closed minded and that doesn't help with anything.
I would never say something doesn't work just by seeing one video.

almost all of the moves here are based on certain principles. second order jiu jitsu if u want. things like clinch of controlling posture, speed, limb control etc. there is a reason why someone wants to move from full guard to mount etc. maybe this will eventually work out, and hey im fine with standing there saying shit i was wrong. but it seems like this series gives up way too much of these principles.

as far as legitimacy goes, who did you catch it on? element of surprise added in, level of belt etc, how easy was it to get on these guys? i can see massive wholes with it by just watching it. holes which havnt been answered yet. i could post a video of doing a head on belly 720 spin to vulcan death grip but i doubt anyone would try it if they find a bunch of problems with it that i cant back up.

when you first posted the kimura sandwich, questions were raised about how to do it and instead of answerng any of them, youve added more crasy stuff that seem to have holes in them as well.

and the problem with this is. it can damage the legitimacy of 10th planet. youre a brown belt and your posting up these cool new moves, and a bunch of the new white belts that have come to see what 10th planet is about will be trying it out, and low and behold even black belts are having difficulty with it, and then before you know it. the vapouriser is shit because you can never hit it from there and every one is back to saying 10th planet is that crazy stuff but it doesnt actually work. its not good for any of us.

its not about having an open mind or not, its about spending our time on things that work so we can improve the quality of our moves instead of the quantity.

[Jon Watkins]

Every move has a counter. I don't see anything wrong with trying out new things to get your synapes firing. If I hadn't been willing to try new things, I would still be an over under guard passer instead of a leg drag/ double under to leg drag/ achilles leg lock to leg drag/ annanais/ catcher stance/ crazy combo passer. Now I may not be the greatest passer on the planet, but I usually give my opponent a lot to fight against if I am in his guard. I think it is ultimately good for Jiu Jitsu for people to try new things and share them. Even if this particular series doesn't pan out, it could inspire someone to think differently about this position and form their next A game attack. And I don't think this damages the legitimacy of 10th Planet. I think the reason Eddie grapple fucked Royler at their last meeting is because he and his guys decided to think differently a long time ago and come up with new answers to the same old problems. That and I am sure he trained his ass off. While I think the critiques here are legit, I don't see anything wrong with bouncing new ideas off of your peers as a black belt, brown belt, purple belt, blue belt, white belt, etc. Just because there are holes now, doesn't mean someone here couldn't find ways to patch them.

[Eddie Bravo]

Let's see dead zone drills on video starting with the one handed wrist control

[BJ Searle]

Every move has a counter. I don't see anything wrong with trying out new things to get your synapes firing. If I hadn't been willing to try new things, I would still be an over under guard passer instead of a leg drag/ double under to leg drag/ achilles leg lock to leg drag/ annanais/ catcher stance/ crazy combo passer. Now I may not be the greatest passer on the planet, but I usually give my opponent a lot to fight against if I am in his guard. I think it is ultimately good for Jiu Jitsu for people to try new things and share them. Even if this particular series doesn't pan out, it could inspire someone to think differently about this position and form their next A game attack. And I don't think this damages the legitimacy of 10th Planet. I think the reason Eddie grapple fucked Royler at their last meeting is because he and his guys decided to think differently a long time ago and come up with new answers to the same old problems. That and I am sure he trained his ass off. While I think the critiques here are legit, I don't see anything wrong with bouncing new ideas off of your peers as a black belt, brown belt, purple belt, blue belt, white belt, etc. Just because there are holes now, doesn't mean someone here couldn't find ways to patch them.

This guy just pretty much smashed this whole conversation. PORRA!

[Chris Herzog]

Every move has a counter. I don't see anything wrong with trying out new things to get your synapes firing. If I hadn't been willing to try new things, I would still be an over under guard passer instead of a leg drag/ double under to leg drag/ achilles leg lock to leg drag/ annanais/ catcher stance/ crazy combo passer. Now I may not be the greatest passer on the planet, but I usually give my opponent a lot to fight against if I am in his guard. I think it is ultimately good for Jiu Jitsu for people to try new things and share them. Even if this particular series doesn't pan out, it could inspire someone to think differently about this position and form their next A game attack. And I don't think this damages the legitimacy of 10th Planet. I think the reason Eddie grapple fucked Royler at their last meeting is because he and his guys decided to think differently a long time ago and come up with new answers to the same old problems. That and I am sure he trained his ass off. While I think the critiques here are legit, I don't see anything wrong with bouncing new ideas off of your peers as a black belt, brown belt, purple belt, blue belt, white belt, etc. Just because there are holes now, doesn't mean someone here couldn't find ways to patch them.

However, everyone of those things you mentioned has by drilled, used in rolling and in competition. It wasn't created on Monday and then you decided to expand your game and try it out the next day. The techniques you opened up and started using were all ready tested and validated.

[Matt _monster_paul]

im gonna try to add it to my kimura game as well john. im gonna be know for my kimura as well as you are for your darce lol

[Drew Ash]

Anyone tried this yet? Im interested to hear since I cant try it myself at the moment. That wrist control seems impossible to hold against skilled guys and if you have kimura trap game theres a lot of higher % stuff to do but Im hoping it pans out as an option. Someone update

[Mike Dewitt Jr]

I guess thats the difference is we want to see moves that are proven not ones made up on the fly. It doesnt mean any one is closed minded, it just means we dont just automatically accept anything someone posts. We want proof that its plausible. We tried it at Superhero tonight and anyone close to your own size was able to roll their wrist out of your "penguin grip". Then when the leg was grabbed and began leaning back the opponent put his hand on his stomach, not to mention the fact that crossing the feet defeated the lean back. Also, the bottom guy grabbing the hip didnt stop anything as far as knee sliding into mount or stepping around the head to finish the regular kimura. It was also difficult to maintain top position, keep the bottom mans hand on the mat and elevate the majority of the bottom mans body off the ground all at the same time with any resistance.

Drew

[Drew Ash]

Drew

Oops, missed that somehow.
Yep. Thanks

[Robb Wilson]

He is right, you should trial and error it first before disgarding it.
It may work for some, may not for others, some may do it right some may miss some small details.

Fair props for messing around with new techniques and sharing them, Whether they good or bad doesn't matter, only the strongest one's will stand the test of time and overall will make the system stronger.

Sure didn't everyone discard the rubber guard in the beginning?

Much love from Ireland