throws and takedowns at the worlds..not..

Kosen is literally a group of dojos(all were university clubs),I think there were 7, don't quote me on it whose sole purpose was to help the development of Judo Newaza. Its wasn't separate from Judo, it was just the focus of their training was on newaza. Much as most Judo schools in the US focus on Tachiwaza. There are no separate ranks for Kosen its not a different style, just and approach to training. Similar to different splits in the Gracie Jiu Jitsu, Heilo's group vs Carlson's group. If someone claims to have a rank specifically in Kosen Judo, your bullshit detector should go off, it’s still all Judo.

Now was Newaza discouraged, via the newer Judo rules, because it dominated matches or just because people thought that throws looked cooler?

Newaza was never discouraged.However there is some wierd belief by the IFJ that in order to promote Judo as an Olympic Sport and to increase its popularity they needed the emphasis to be on throwing, and that the spectators didn't want to see guys rolling around on the mat, they wanted to see spectatular throws. What they never figured out, its doesn't matter what the spectators wanted, as there were only 3 or 4 of them in the stands or at home watching anyway.

Originally Posted by TrajdenKane

I am a huge fan of BJJ and 10th planet JJ..but I am a blackbelt in Judo. I can not believe at the BJJ worlds (and I watched the whole thing) how few throw or takedown attempts there actually were. It seemed like a battle of who could pull guard or half guard first..even at the black belt level. If that is what modern BJJ has come to, they will become irrelevant when they make the transition to MMA..you gotta have takedowns. Half of the black belt matches had both guys pulling guard simultaneously, sitting and staring at each other, and then leg wrestling each other..wtf..

This may be a shock, but a whole lot of top level BJJ guys, have zero interest in competing in MMA. Also a large number of BJJ guys (esp the brazilians, Judo is fairly popular in Brazil) do alot of Judo and are BB's themselves. However, a throw that can get you an ippon in a Judo match, can also have a guy half on your back as soon as you land in BJJ.

I have never been a big fan of the guard pulling, but in BJJ it has its merits, mainly in that with a gi on, alot of takedowns and throws can compromize you a bit in transition as you hit the mat, this along with the fact that the guard with a gi on is a whole different ballgame than say in MMA where you have less grips and get hit in the mouth.

There seems to be more takedowns in NoGi. In gi they love pulling guard. Just put that gi away and start working on your wrestling.

It's all about playing to the rules. Throws and takedowns involve too much risk. It is stupid.

Pulling guard is for queens

Call me Elizabeth.

My Cat prefers to pull guard ... But I really don't bame him ....His takedown defense sucks!

Originally Posted by Muhammad Abdou

imo the only reason why pulling guard is so prevalent in comps is because they don't allow slamming in guard.. for some reason...
honestly i dont understand why they dont. you're allowed to go for maximum impact hip throws but you have to be as gentle as possible the moment someone wraps their legs around you?

Man just ask Brian Cimms. His career was ended because he was slammed maybe 2 feet off the ground from the guard. That shit is so much more dangerous I can't believe youre comparing it to a hip throw.

Guard slamming can break backs, necks, give concussions, the list goes on.

Also, there was almost NO closed guard this weekend at the black belt level. Almost all variations of the half guard, where it's much more difficult to try to pick someone up and slam them. In fact, in the Absolute division not one match that was aired had any closed guard at all.