New world order

[Andrew T]

Thank you Derrirck for sharing this video.

[Nathan K.]

You live in a capitalist system.

Your ignorance is staggering.

Capitalism is the seperation of economy from state. True laissez-faire free enterprise is the only path to freedom.

What we are now living under is Corporatism, or more accurately, a system of Corporate Nationalism evolving into Neo-feudalism. Our economy is highly regulated and controlled by the government which is in turn regulated and controlled by special interests (bankers).

Please leave your Marxian rhetoric at the door.

[Nathan K.]

1. Rely upon the ignorance of the masses.

One of the most common critiques I hear about conspiracy theories is that the government would have to be masterminds to pull them off, and we can clearly see that they're a pack of fools. Well, that's misleading. Most cospiracies are done POORLY. They make numerous mistakes and obvious oversights. The official story is always full of holes and almost zero investigation takes place. The truth is there for anyone who cares to see it. -- Yes. They are a pack of fools. But they rely on us being an even larger pack of fools, and by and large, we are.

2. Control the media.

Check. -- If an "authority" figure tells someone what to believe or do, most people will comply. See the Milgram experiment.

3. Attach a stigma to contrary thought.

When it comes to the multitude of conspiracies that have existed, there are tons of whistleblowers and truthtellers. They are simply and automatically labelled as "crazy" or "conspiracy theorists". And on the other hand, people who might be inclined to come forward with information are discouraged by the fact that they will be placed into those social categories.

4. Compartmentalize.

Each person involved with the execution of a conspiracy only has a small part of the puzzle. They follow simple orders without being given enough information to make connections.

5. Control the top.

The groups of men who orchestrate a conspiracy and know most of the details are highly unlikely to come forward. The outcome of the conspiracy usually benefits them financially, and admitting your place within a cabal is social suicide. Also, this upper eschelon of controllers have policies of Mutually Assured Defamation, or consentual blackmail. It usually involves child sex trafficking. Watch "A Conspiracy of Silence".

6. Destroy liabilities.

Any low-level player in a conspiracy who poses a potential threat is terminated. The government mostly uses soldiers for crucial tasks. They are conscripted into "Top Secret" programs. Once the job is done, to prevent the soldiers from making connections and possibly coming forward, they are killed. To their family and the world they are considered KIA in whatever random war is being waged at the time. It is a simple process.

[Aloadae]

"Sheeple" <3 When you hear that word you know you're in for a ride.

I didn't claim I smashed anything into dust. I just said it's easily done. As long as you take your time.
Did you even read your own posts? One of the strange thing about conspiracy-rhetorics is that there's always an amazing mix of statements. Look at the first page of this post - there's the mass-shootings as a means to control people, the mass-shooting with a hidden warning/message in a Batman movie, drones, chinese slave labour, secret agreements ("look at some websites"), the UN being run by China, China ordering the US to take it's peoples guns, China being the main conspirator of buying up the american debt...and the list goes on.

You can look at each of these factors and take it apart.
For example, the debt to the Chinese.

For China to have such extreme control over the UN and the US, you would assume they own pretty much all of the US national debt.
But, they don't.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...w-big-who-owns

Look at the numbers. Most of the US debt is domestic. It's owned by the US itself.
Out of 16 trillion, only 5,4 trillion is foreign debt.
Out of the 5,4 trillion foreign debt only 1,15 trillion is owned by China.
That is a lot, sure.
But Japan owns 1,12 trillion of the US debt so they're not far behind.

So...if China owns less than 10% of US debt. How can they have such absolute control of the UN/US, just on behalf of that debt?
Shouldn't the domestict debt-owners have something to say? Or Japan?

Nooo...nooo...it's just China, for some reason, giving orders.




But, do you know what's great about the whole conspiracy theory-narrative. Now you can just forget about this whole China-debt-thing. Pretend like it was never a big deal, and then just say that it's the "NWO" or something, that can never be neither verified och falsified, since the NWO is such a vague concept that you can manage to fit in pretty much anything you want and don't sympathize with.

We can take every one of these points. Break them down, and see that in reality - the situation is much more complex.
But. It won't matter. Because conspiracy theorist are just like religious people...they're not a big friend of the whole idea of "trying to falsify your own theories"-thing. It's like an adapted "God of the gaps"-argument. Conspiracy theorists jumping from one thing to another that they find fishy, and use it as a proof of the NWO-wrongdoing. And since they are no longer sheeple, and have bought into the NWO-narrative...they will naturally see fishy things all over the place. + there's a bonus with not having to believe most of the things that contradict your view, since that information (in such a case) is being controlled by the NWO/Illuminati.

Conspiracy theorists holds the world record in two things:
1. Sheepishly believing pretty much anything that is said or written, if it coincides with the NWO/illuminati-narrative.
2. Being extremely critical, and refusing to accept information that comes from an "official" source...i.e. anything from a professional/ clinical/university study... (since they are part of the system)
3. ...unless that study happens to show something that fits with the NWO/illuminati-narrative, then that study is ok.
4. Unless the academic community finds that the forementioned study was scientifically lacking, in that case it's the NWO trying to shut people up.

This literally blows my mind every time. It's a very sheepish way to streamline information, if you ask me.

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And when it comes to the definition of "capitalism."
I would define capitalism as a society which economic system is founded on private ownership.
For me, that is fundamental in what constitutes capitalism.

The amount of regulation may differ. Some may want it strenghten, and some might want it loosened.
Some might even want it loosened to such an extent as to create a laissez-faire, neo-liberal, night-watchman state.
Indeed, you may.
But, less regulation, or more regulation - it is still capitalism, since it is based on private ownership.

Perhaps you do not agree with this definition, and consider capitalism as only existing in a truly laissez-faire society. Sure. I wouldn't agree with that, but sure. However, I wouldn't call your ignorance "staggering". I would only see it as a different perspective.

[Kurzy]

It's obvious you are not here because you love Jiu Jitsu.
I don't know who's payroll you're on but I have decimated many government shills in my day on other forums.

That's the funny thing about truth: It always comes out in the end. You sling around the word "conspiracy" with the intention of programming an underlying association to Paraniod-delusion, but the fact is there is a global conspiracy that is not only well documented, but also not even denied by key players. (Rackefellers/Rothchilds and the like)

I never came here to get into discussions about the global conspiracy, but it is in my blood, and I'm already on their fucking watch lists, so whatever. I will battle you. No problem.

[Aloadae]

I don't really care about conspiracy theories on that level.
Just as I don't think the government, Obama, or anyone with any real power - is in any way worried about NWO-theories or what Alex Jones is saying.

It just frustrates me, on the same level as other types of pseudoscience.


And...
"It's obvious you are not here because you love Jiu Jitsu.
I don't know who's payroll you're on but I have decimated many government shills in my day on other forums."

Swing by 10th Planet Stockholm and I'll introduce myself. We're a happy group of guys

[derrick ikwueme]

Stay asleep Aloadae...Ignorance is bliss. They count on sheeple not paying attention and being close minded. You probably think the terrorists executed 9/11 and believe the official gov story. All of you sheeple respond the same when I bring up "conspiracy theories." You are so close minded you don't even entertain the idea and just label me as crazy. But look at this life...We are on a rock flying through an infinite galaxy...Isn't that pretty fuckin crazy? I'm not going to argue with you and break down your response because it's not worth my time. Thank you Derrirck for sharing this video. Phil blew my fuckin mind.

Phil started talking publicy in 1996 and was dead from " suicide " in jan 1997 after 3 attempts on his life. he was ahead of his time because not many people were aware of this shit in the 90's & unfortunately the few lectures he did is all that you can find on him no books or anything they killed him pretty quick. and just watching him talk i can tell he was a strong minded dude and would not have killed himself.

[Nathan K.]

There are no alien controllers.

Let's just look at the science. The nearest solar system to ours is 4.3 light years away. That's about 25 trillion miles of empty interstellar space with nothing but dead, wandering exoplanets in between. Keep in mind, that's just the NEAREST star sytem, and there are no signs that it contains biological life.

Earth is anomalous in nature, a jewel within a chaotic and destructive Universe. It is a product of numerous coincidences.

It is the perfect distance from its star, not too hot, not too cold. That star happens to be rather beneign compared to the explosive radiation of others. The Earth settled into a stable orbit. It formed an energetic iron core which created a magnetic field to protect the planet from solar and cosmic radiation and which also helped to form an atmosphere conducive to life. That atmosphere became susceptible to electric currents which caused reactions between oxygen and nitrogen to create the nitrates that plants use as nutrients. Water was delivered through bombardments of icy asteroids and comets. An early collison tilted the Earth's poles 23.5 degrees off the celestial equator in regards to Sun which created the seasons. The Moon, formed by expelled schrapnel from an early collision caused the Earth's rotation to slow down due to the tidal friction of gravity, giving us 24 hour days and longer sustained sunlight for vegetative growth. The Moon's gravity stabilized the Earth's rotation, preventing highly destructive weather patterns. It also doubled our ocean tides, the churning motion of water perfect for creating life. On top of all this, the Earth has managed to avoid inevitible cosmic destruction - in the form of comet and asteroid impacts, nearby supernovae, gamma ray bursts, free-roaming stars, rogue black holes, solar mass ejections, galactic collision, etc. - for just long enough to not only spawn biological life, but intelligent life.

I'm not saying that intelligent life doesn't exist off Earth. Biological life, rare as it is, must statistically exist elsewhere when you consider the immeasurable vastness of our Universe. But have any "aliens" made it this far? I highly doubt it. What would be the point?

Imagine the unfathomable technology that would have to exist to make inter-galactic, even interstellar travel not only possible, but worthwhile. If you were that advanced, you would most definitely have crossed the threshold of what some might call a technological singularity. To such a culture, almost anything could be possible.

If they wanted to control us, they could most likely press a button and turn us all into obedient slaves. So, why the fuck do you think that highly advanced super-beings would rub elbows with the sniveling wastes of life we call "leaders" to play retarded mind games with us? Why do you think they would consider us even remotely important? It's ludicrous. If anything, they might study us only as a simple science experiment even though its highly unlikely given the immense resources such an experiment would waste without any real payoff. -- Control us, though? Take over? C'mon! We would be no more than ants to them.

No.

Aliens... UFOs... They are a fabricated screen developed by our true controllers, who are mere humans. Those crazy lights you see are just a UFO, citizen! What incredible mysteries there are!

It is a diversion to distract us from the truth. The government is using our money to create highly advanced aircraft, the abilities of which we can only begin to imagine. The "wars" they fight abroad are a farce, a distraction. The true scope of what they are capable, of the technology they are developing, is frightening. You think the atomic bomb is scary? It's nothing. It's old, outdated tech.

You have been warned.

[Dwight Roux]

So I guess the federal reserve is a grand example of capitalism as it is privately owned?? Get a life Aloadae, and why don't you use your real name as Eddie has asked people to do when signing up to the site. From your profile I can see that you have posted a staggering 5 posts and 4 of them are on this thread. Smell a bit like a troll to me.

[Aloadae]

Dwight

1. It depends. Without being an expert on american financial politics (since I'm not american), I would say that the federal reserve has the purpose of stabilizing the economic structure in a capitalistic system, on behalf of the state. You could argue that is does not actually serve this purpose, but it's still its purpose.
I would guess that there are several publicly owned enterprises in the US, aswell as several aspects of the society which is not entirely laissez faire, but has more of a keynsian/social-liberal purpose. And of course, a neoliberal would not support these functions, end not consider the society a truly liberal one.
But I would still argue that the american economic system is fundamentally capitalistic.


2. I've only logged in here a couple of times, can't remember seeing the "real name"-clause, but I probably just missed it. I'm not a big fan, however, of using my real name on message boards and forums.

3. I have an interest in politics, and consider myself a skeptic + I live in Sweden. So, naturally a thread on conspiracies will get my attention more than "10th PLANET SEMINAR in BUFFALO!" will. But, depending on what definition of troll you use, I'm sure you could fit me in. It's ok with me.
I signed up a while ago because I thought it would give me access to MTS-episodes (before I realized it required a pro-membership). And then I keept it. And sometimes I come by

The "alex jones gun debate"-thread also caught my attention. Mostly because I'd seen it referenced before on facebook, and was curious what you americans thought about it. I would say our perspective differs alot, since I'm from a country with much more restrictive gun laws, and fewer gun owners. You would probably call me brainwashed by the NWO.
We're still waiting on the NWO-invasion, however.