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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Sales View Post
    They are when you cant afford to pay them and it becomes a court case. Lots of info here on this site some dude on theUG put together http://www.lloydirvinrapeexposed.com/ :-)
    Damn that site is deeeeeeeep. Damn. I'm no longer on the fence. Wow.

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    already stated below
    Last edited by Mike Nall; 02-28-2013 at 04:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Rosado View Post
    Damn that site is deeeeeeeep. Damn. I'm no longer on the fence. Wow.
    i see it's back up. Lloyd Irvin was able to get that site taken down for a bit.

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    I would still like to know if Lioyd Irvin's situation in 89 was an actual gang rape or a "train gone wrong" until then i'm not gonna completly condem the dude because only he and the people that were there truly know what happend ! one things for sure, Lloyd Irvin has recived just as much hate from the old school bjj crew as Eddie Bravo, And they've been waiting for a chance to "burn him at the stake" and now they have the perfect opportunity, I wouldn't be suprised if the Ibjjf didn't ban TLI all together from there competitions. & they probably would ban 10th planet if they had a good reason. they certainly banned the twister when they saw Eddie killing with it.
    IBJJF has no problems with TLI. There won't be any banning. As far as the 89 incident, it was not a train gone wrong. They threatened to throw her off the balcony if she didn't comply. A doctor found evidence from a rape kit that it was rape (because it was.) Here are testimonies from the trial. Read away if you like.

    http://articles.dailypress.com/1990-...rape-case-girl

    http://articles.dailypress.com/1991-...arrant-charged

    http://articles.dailypress.com/1990-...en-young-woman

    http://articles.dailypress.com/1990-...e-case-two-men

    http://articles.dailypress.com/1991-...ton-university

    http://articles.dailypress.com/1991-...orm-room-trial
    Last edited by Mike Nall; 02-28-2013 at 04:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Nall View Post
    There is another issue on deck. Bloodyelbow should have a story up on it soon.
    please post it here in case I miss it.
    Jigoro Kano → Tsunejiro Tomita → Mitsuyo "Count Koma" Maeda → Carlos Gracie, Sr. → Jean Jacques Machado → Eddie Bravo → Myself

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    yeah it was rape, the bloody lip says it all. Karma is richous bitch though, and all this shit comming out is just Karma's way of paying Lloyd Irvin back. " what a pieace of shit " what's really fucked up is those dudes only got 7-10 years and they'll get out in 5 and just do it again. Meanwhile I can get 10-15 years for a non violent drug offense " whats the bigger crime ? " the american justice system is fuckin disgusting. It should be legal to kill all rapist and child molesters if proven guilty there just wild dogs that need to be put down. and contrary to belief they don't always get a broom up the ass in jail and often they live just fine in jail, so rarely is justice actually served

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    Shits getting REAL for ol' Lloyd. Just saw this...

    This was just posted on Facebook:
    JORDAN SCHULTZ STATEMENT

    Recently a fellow team member came to me she was burdened and confused. She sought me out as a confidante a person she could trust. She had been battling with a situation morally inside her head. She explained the details of secret interactions she had with her martial arts instructor and employer.

    She started with the question “Are you suppose to do anything to become a World Champion?” I replied, “Yes, there are sacrifices you must make to become a World Champion and you are going to have to do some things that other people won’t do to become a World Champion”. She began to cry as she explained.

    She said that when she first joined the team she was given a set of rules. She was told exactly how she should act. Everyone on the team follows the principle of the Android. An Android does what they are commanded with no question and no hesitation. Whatever the Programmer says the Android does. According to the Martial Arts instructor this correlates to Martial Arts if the coach gives a commanded and the athlete hesitates or questions for a moment it can cost them the match. That is the importance of being an Android.

    Second rule, your word is your bond. If you do not keep your word you are a liar. If you do not follow what you say you are a faker. If you do not keep your word you are definitely not serious about what you are trying to accomplish.

    Third rule, confidentiality whatever you talk about with your instructor stays only between you and your instructor it is a form of trust. She explained the Instructor has been deceived and hurt a lot in the past so it was difficult to prove your trust and loyalty to your instructor.

    When first coming to the team her instructor automatically judged her, told her that “I have a weird feeling that you are lying and you do not want to be a world champion, you came for alterior motives”

    I noticed that the woman was always getting scolded or on thin ice with my martial arts instructor. She always seemed to be messing up tasks that were given to her as her job. She always seemed afraid that she was going to be kicked off the team and sent home. Every team member that comes from another state can be kicked off the team and sent home at any time. Any member of the team will confirm this. This is a consequence that looms over all the athletes.

    At one point I thought she really was being sent home.

    She had been trying to tell me, and others. She asked us hypothetical questions like “would you do ANYTHING to be a world champion” and she’d tell me she did some things she wouldn’t normally do but her instructor asked her to do it and he said she was proving he can trust her. She explained the things she did for her instructor was a test to see if she would really do anything to be a world champion. That she would keep her word to him and do anything he asked her to do. And she would do it without hesitation to prove her loyalty and that she was an android. I always thought it was something different, like she messed with someone’s credit card or something but I was so wrong.

    Her instructor would both ask and instruct her to do sexually inappropriate things with him. Re-affirming his instructions with things like “I thought you said you wanted to be a world champion, and you said you would do anything I tell you to do without hesitation”. He would make her repeat to him over and over that she loved him like a script.

    If she ever hesitated or questioned he would call her a liar and say that she didn’t really want to become a world champion and she wasn’t serious about her goals.

    This activity went on for a couple months and then he asked her is she would give herself to him sexually, and if she would have sexual intercourse with him.

    That’s when she broke down and came to me she was so wrapped up and confused about the tests and hazing she came to me for guidance. And I am happy she did so that nothing else bad happened to her.

    What he has asked of her and made her do is disgusting and abusive. I am so grateful she came to me and I was able to open her eyes.
    To explain to her that it was wrong, that she did not have to do those things to prove she really wanted to be a world champion.

    I think, but cannot confirm that there are other victims on the team. I would see the instructor sleeping in the same hotel room in the same bed at tournaments with other female teammates. Multiple teammates have also been called to his room to give him massages alone together with him in a hotel room, which I always thought was a little inappropriate considering he is there Martial Arts Instructor.

    I trained with the team for over a year. 6 months into my stay there I was offered a unpaid mentorship as his internet assassin, and I would be trained to do internet marketing.

    The rules on the team were “no inter team dating” and “you always follow instructions 100%” now that I think about it, both rules together breed the perfect environment for the martial arts instructor to take advantage of his female students sexually. Dangle the dream of being a world champion in front each member of the team to control their every move.

    The instructor never did anything to me, the training environment was not the healthiest at times, but I was never harmed. And I cannot speak for other male members, but each has their own story. In addition several of my teammates have left the environment within hours of hearing the story I told them. This confirms that each of them had their own suspicions of what was going on.

    I was in charge of a project to make several websites, with the soul purpose of covering up the google search results of keywords.

    I now realize that it was wrong to do that. And people need to be informed before they choose to associate with the instructor.

    I apologize to the female team member and the other female team members I have spoken about. I had to break her trust and warn others about the situation. She confided in me and was not ready to tell anyone about it. But as my moral responsibility the world needs to know. And I encourage anyone who has been affected or controlled by Lloyd Irvin to speak out.

    In closing, I have left the team for good, I have ended all ties with team lloyd Irvin and will never have anything to do with it again in any capacity. I came to the team
    thinking it would be the best thing for me, plenty of good training partners, hard training, and to learn marketing. I was a fool, and I apologize to anyone that may have been affected by my actions while on the team.

    Jordon Schultz

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    Schultz comes off as a self serving slimeball. So while this might be true, I can't help but feel like he's just coming out with it to keep his name relevant.

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    Toxic environment. Lloyd has some Chinese olympic team regime shit going on over there. Wish all the athletes the best and hope they get out of that place asap. :-(

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    If that story is true, Lloyd Irvin is going to jail if they come forward. That is disgusting, what piece of shit takes advantage of his students trust and respect like that?! He is completely pissing on everything the Master/Student relationship stands for. He is a blight on this martial art, this sport and as a human being. I don't want to believe someone is doing this to other people, but why when I look at Lloyd Irvin in the back on my head do I think, "You are a piece of shit." I hated him when I found out he charges $1,500 AN HOUR for private lessons. Royce Gracie only charges $300 for fucksake. Now I got an even bigger reason to not like this prick.

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