47 Leg Lock Techniques In Just 4 Minutes - Jason Scully

[Chris Herzog]

We will have to disagree on this point then however. I have finished many kneebars in competition both with my opponent's foot on the top and on the bottom and was able to successfully with the way that I do them and controlling the heel and hugging with my head. And I definitely believe that if I would have try to actually "think" about what side his leg was on then it would not have been as affective or I may have given up space. So I took what I got it was successful.

It's ok to have different methods that work. If you're methods work then that is great. Fortunately for me in advanced competition my methods work for me as well.

As with the kneebar..you need to pay attention to leg position and tightness as well.

So for me it's not "settling" if I am still able to finish just as well with the leg on either side. Nothing to do with being a jiu jitsu guy as well.

That's why I would rather be proficient on both sides rather then just on one side. As you see in the video, I finish the knee be bar with the knee on the top and the bottom.

Thanks for the discussion.

Jason

Rear naked chokes without the hooks happen in competition as well, that doesn't make it the best practice. You stated controlling the heel controls the leg, I question your understanding of lower body mechanics, as isolating the hip actually controls the leg, hence the necessity for proper positioning. Controlling the heel doesn't control core mobility, isolating the hip does. The reason for having the foot on the floor side of the head as LiquidRob pointed out is to add rotation/"wringing the towel" effect to reduce the opponents range of motion, it also makes the standard sit up and grab the ankle defense more difficult as the foot is now hidden by the head,neck and shoulders.

My international Sambo and Combat Sambo experience and medals against the best leglockers and leglock defenders in the world lends me unique insight as to what works best and what doesn't work against high level competition.

[Blake Small]

Damn I can't wait until zog comes out to SoCal for a seminar, that is one I wouldn't miss.

[Jasculs]

Rear naked chokes without the hooks happen in competition as well, that doesn't make it the best practice. You stated controlling the heel controls the leg, I question your understanding of lower body mechanics, as isolating the hip actually controls the leg, hence the necessity for proper positioning. Controlling the heel doesn't control core mobility, isolating the hip does. The reason for having the foot on the floor side of the head as LiquidRob pointed out is to and rotation/"wringing the towel" effect to reduce the opponents range of motion, it also makes the standard sit up and grab the ankle defense more difficult as the foot is now hidden by the head,neck and shoulders.

My international Sambo and Combat Sambo experience and medals against the best leglockers and leglock defenders in the world lends me unique insight as to what works best and what doesn't work against high level competition.

You for sure probably have definitely more experience with leg locks both through time and competitively on me. I don't doubt that at all. The reason I'm not bringing up hip control is because the discussion here is based on whether the foot should be on the bottom or top of the head. My statements as of now (because you never know I may experiment and find you may be completely right) is that it isn't something that should just be ruled out as wrong if I am in a position where I still get good control of my opponents leg regardless.

I'll play around with your points and then see if my views change any. Thank you

[Brent Smith]

I really enjoy discussions like this. It helps me understand how a technique works. Two different opinions, interesting discussion. Seems like leg lock discussion tend to get the most heated. Why is that? Anybody remember the Ultimate Leg Lock topic. That got so heated

[Chris Herzog]

You for sure probably have definitely more experience with leg locks both through time and competitively on me. I don't doubt that at all. The reason I'm not bringing up hip control is because the discussion here is based on whether the foot should be on the bottom or top of the head. My statements as of now (because you never know I may experiment and find you may be completely right) is that it isn't something that should just be ruled out as wrong if I am in a position where I still get good control of my opponents leg regardless.

I'll play around with your points and then see if my views change any. Thank you

There is never right or wrong, just what has a higher % success of succeeding. That is what always dictates my choices. For me the highest % finish for knee bars as of right now is tying up the second leg as well. This changed just over a year ago for me when my Sambo Coach Igor Yakimov, came back from Russia saying all the current top dogs are now using it. Essentially when you have the kneebar on and your opponent tries to kick your grip off with the other leg you bind the 2nd leg (So you have both of their legs parallel). This greatly limits their chance of escaping.

[Chris Herzog]

I really enjoy discussions like this. It helps me understand how a technique works. Two different opinions, interesting discussion. Seems like leg lock discussion tend to get the most heated. Why is that? Anybody remember the Ultimate Leg Lock topic. That got so heated

That thread got heated because a few guys new to leglocks wanted to be the big dogs.

[Liquidrob]

Leg Locks = Controversy!

[Brent Smith]

That thread got heated because a few guys new to leglocks wanted to be the big dogs.

Is that what it was? I couldnt remember why.

[Jeremy Gates]

This is a great discussion.

[Jasculs]

There is never right or wrong, just what has a higher % success of succeeding. That is what always dictates my choices. For me the highest % finish for knee bars as of right now is tying up the second leg as well. This changed just over a year ago for me when my Sambo Coach Igor Yakimov, came back from Russia saying all the current top dogs are now using it. Essentially when you have the kneebar on and your opponent tries to kick your grip off with the other leg you bind the 2nd leg (So you have both of their legs parallel). This greatly limits their chance of escaping.

You know of any videos on YouTube showing tying up the second leg? I'd like to check out and play around with it.