NASA brainwashing program

[nathan orchard]

Thank you for your belief in the 10p system, this site wouldn't exist without soldiers like you. :-)

I have been out to Wyoming and trained with Martin and his team. They are legit.

[Eddie Bravo]

Curious, how are you able to ID the aircraft? I was into jets when I was a kid and I found it was really hard even for the old guys to id high flying planes.

I worked with CCTV for years but dont know a lot about long range cameras and zoom ability. What would it take to be able to zoom in and show that these are military jets? A normal video camera couldn't do it, Im guessing?

I pretty up on my chemistry. Just finished O-chem last semester and thats was my third college chem class. I dont see any reason that the presence of metals in a contrail would make it any more persistent than a normal contrail. Has this been explained?

In my biological applications of physics class, we did some work on calculating how micro scale particles fall through the atmosphere. The math is not too hard if you dont account for up and down drafts. At the elevation planes normally fly, the chemicals they are supposed to be realising would end up spread over minimum many hundreds of miles up to literally half way around the globe with a modest breeze. Why such an inefficient method? They could get the chems into the irrigation systems or added to commercial fertilizers or pesticides and it would be thousands of times more effective and would require a much smaller number of people to be involved in the conspiracy?

How do I know they are not commercial airliners?

Because the planes that are zig zagging back and forth over the LA skies spraying fake clouds are coming in and out of Edwards Air Force Base. It's super easy to tell, all you gotta do is look up and pay attention. Retards can figure it out

In the last 10 years I've taken hundreds of flights in and out of LAX and Burbank. They all land and take off the same way. Planes coming from the east start descending around Palm Springs and land going west. Planes coming from the west or north pass LAX and make a U-turn at downtown LA then land going west just like the planes coming from the east. 95% of the hundreds of flights I've been on take this exact route. Extreme weather conditions have caused planes to land in the eastern direction, but this is very rare. When taking off, all planes take off in the western direction then either turn left and go east or south or turn right to the north or straight and keep heading west into the Pacific Ocean. I can give you Burbank's flight patterns too but I don't want to bore you. I have never seen a commercial airliner over the LA skies with contrails or chemtrails.

The planes that are criss crossing over the city covering the skies with fake clouds are not commercial airliners in my personal experience, they are coming from Edwards Air Force Base to the north of LA.

[Aaron Gustaveson]

Ok but for people like me, that live in the middle of nowhere and cant observe this ourselves; is there a way to record the sky and show the flight patterns of the planes over time? Maybe zoom in and be able to definitively id the planes?

I guess, I mean, you feel that you shouldn't have to collect or present evidence because to you it seems obvious but what if you didn't see what you have with your own eyes? You do want to convince people, right? You agree that its not unreasonable to ask some questions before accepting this?

If you're immediately dismissive of people that dont share your view then how can you change their minds? Asking for evidence isn't a combative thing.

[Josh Passini]

All I know is they dont spray that shit in CHIraq. They know better

[Aaron Gustaveson]

Anyone know anything about camcorders, if thats what they are still called? Anyway to zoom enough to ID planes at altitude? Any ideas about how eddies observations can be turned into physical evidence?

[Martin.Harris]

All I know is they dont spray that shit in CHIraq. They know better

Josh apparently Chicago is the worst you better get some anitdote quick...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbHuMIlF5Ng

[Aaron Gustaveson]

If only circumstantial evidence is available; it would at least be useful to show that there are larger numbers of "chemtrails" over farmland than cities with huge airports like o'hare.

Unfortunately, it seems many chemtrail believers have the position that if you are asking for evidence then you are not worth convincing because to them it obvious enough for retards to figure out.

Really looking forward to seeing kristin on joes show. Hoping for some physical evidence or resources for data.

[Martin.Harris]

Found this cool video, it is over Britain but the LAX area is similar if not busier. The film uses GPS coordinates to illustrate "tracks" in the air but if you could imagine some of these aircraft leaving contrails (based on weather conditions) you could see how some very imteresting patterns could be formed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=sEZcBeE33wc

If any of you are able to film a jet aircaft actively spraying chemtrails (or contrails) in a pattern other than a straight line in the greater Los Angeles area please include your GPS location (obtained from your cell phone) and the direction your are looking along with the date and time. I spoke to some Air Traffic buddies and they would be shocked to see that footage and would help you investigate if you gave them that info. It would be very important to see the aircraft actively make the zig zag pattern on video.

[Aaron Gustaveson]

^ theres a thinking man. ^

[Eddie Bravo]

What about this evidence?