Method of Drilling (Grippo) vs Method of live & creativity training (Kit Dale)

[Stefan Rüegg]

Hey guys, I was wonder how you feel what is better.. Look at this article I found on graciemag about what is better between drilling a techniques or live creativity training:
http://www.graciemag.com/2014/07/to-...ining-methods/

Let me know guys...

[Stefan Rüegg]

In my opinion live creativity training in jiu jitsu makes a lot more fun and it's not so monotone than drilling one specific position 1000 times... But what is really better to improving for tournaments..????
What works better for you guys, since everyone is individual?

[Ringo Lagrange]

Can't have one without the other. If I really had to choose, I'd go for drilling.

[Fraser Taylor]

For me personally I've found that I will drill a move enough times that I understand the way it works and why it works, after that I need to adapt it to my style of Jiu Jitsu during rolling. With the whole Drilling v No Drilling, I don't think you could do 1 without doing the other.

Drilling helps you learn the mechanics of a sub/sweep/etc and why you put Foot X on Position Y, if you don't understand the move then live rolling may not help you develop it much further as you may just crank extra hard for a tap, as opposed to understanding the move and shifting your hips slightly or using a different type of grip.

But, I do have to say, once I understand a move I don't know if sitting drilling it 1000 times on a semi-resisting opponent is better compared to live sparring where you can't dictate positions as easily. I feel as if I have learned a lot more from rolling with my instructor and team mates than sitting drilling a move, but all those moves that we have drilled, I do use

[brianspinaltap]

Kit was at HQ rolling with Eddie recently, I think? How did that work out?

[Stefan Rüegg]

Kit was at HQ rolling with Eddie recently, I think? How did that work out?

Yes? anybody knows how the outcoming was? besides of a cool roll :-)

[Chris Herzog]

Drilling is essential. Drilling, Live Situation Drills, and Rolling are integral to personal development and growth in the 10th Planet System.

[Stefan Rüegg]

Drilling is essential. Drilling, Live Situation Drills, and Rolling are integral to personal development and growth in the 10th Planet System.

word!

[Mike Nall]

In my opinion live creativity training in jiu jitsu makes a lot more fun and it's not so monotone than drilling one specific position 1000 times... But what is really better to improving for tournaments..????
What works better for you guys, since everyone is individual?

There are people that have great success with mostly live rolling, like Marcelo Garcia. I hate to be a prisoner of the moment and look at the current "hot team" but Atos is leading the way for competition success and all the top guys have insane drilling practices. I think for pure enjoyment, drilling can get old, but every transition or technique that I've really gotten great at has usually been because I was disciplined enough to drill it. I also think that now even winning the Worlds at purple belt is putting you up against people that train like full time athletes, and drilling a huge part of that. If you want to be successful in competitions you pretty much have to drill. You might be a natural or an outlier but I wouldn't bank on that.

I would argue that creativity comes from drilling as well. If you've drilled something into muscle memory, you're just doing it and your mind is more free to spot things in scrambles and transitions. if you're not using as much muscle memory, your mind is having to be engaged more, your mind isn't as clear because you're thinking, so if you can get the active brain out of the process then it will be free to spot new opening and creativity in the middle of grappling.

I think someone that has drilled a passing sequence 10,000 times is more likely to be able to successful improvise something crazy on the fly during a match, over someone that hasn't really drilled.

[brianspinaltap]

Doesn't it depend on how 'complicated' your jiu jitsu is?

If you're doing basic BJJ in a Gi, just solid basics like triangle, armbar, etc.. it's not that complicated (once you've got the basics down), and you probably can just enjoy rolling and making everything better through that, but if you're doing 'advanced' stuff, like rubber guard or lapel guard or double bagging, etc... you're going to need to drill those things harder to get them into the muscle memory...?