Originally Posted by
Tim Elliott
Its a bit confusing to just talk about the rotating foot. There is a video of a guy with pretty slick Muay Thai spinning right round on the kicks while doing shadow. What Im saying is that in Muay Thai that kick is the exception not the rule.
The main Muay Thai kick I see used in the Muay Thai I have watched, and the Muay Thai I have been taught does not involve a full rotation of the body on a miss. If you miss a kick, or your doing shadow, the kick comes up, turns in and then comes back down to where you started. Thats the whole point of the kick. You dont have to leave your stance, so you can throw it in combinations, not just tag it on the end.
The kick involves throwing your leg straight up like your kicking a ball, and rolling your hip to turn the leg in at the point you want to strike. Ideally the foot stays fixed and you come up on your toes. If your inflexible, your foot will have to turn a bit as you kick higher. The kick comes up the side of your opponents body, and strikes at an angle. Some fighters step in a little with it, and some turn the foot a little, but the key thing is your not rolloing your hip right over, or spinning all the way around on a miss, and most importantly, your not leaving your stance. The kick can be thrown in the middle of a combination. It also telegraphs a lot less and is harder to check.
Its a bit like how Eddie describes twister side control. It seems weak when you start, but once you get it down you realise just how powerful it is. Yodsenkalai finishes guys with three or four of them to the body and upper arm. No shortage of power in the movement.
I am not talking about the rotation of the body, btw, but of the foot.
As to the foot not moving.....well I find it odd, every, single, high level professional Thai fighter I have seen hitting pads kicking, or fighting, rotates that foot........
The kick you describe here is the one most used, and guys rotate their foot into it, and most step when they throw it. No they dont roll the hip all the way over, but when they dont its because its used as a body kick to sneak under the rib. But the guy kicking still rotates his foot/rolls his hip, he just waits to transfer the force from upward to inward (if that makes sense).
What you just described, at every level I have ever seen it, the guy throwing the kick either moves his foot at the beginning of the kick, or he rotates his foot during the execution. The ONLY time I have seen it done where a guy doesnt rotate his foot is pad work where a guy is doubling/triple kicking and keeps the foot more stationary.
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