Puppet Master

[Royce Kim]

After seeing the baratoplata and reverse spider web threads, I was reminded of those old puppet master vids from distant past. Wondering if any of you have played the game and if so, thoughts?

[Royce Kim]

[Royce Kim]

[Ryan Boor]

I remember Zog saying they tested it a while ago and it had too many holes. Im not sure exactly what failed in this (I would actually love to know Zog). I seems though if you have a strong pyramid clinch, all you need to do is hook that arm and everything else is money, especially at least the sweep, but then again Im a fuckin retard so there's that....

[Chris Herzog]

Ok I'll give a real quick abriged version as I've told the story in length detail before a few times.

1)I just need to say this the "Wolverine" and his family are super nice people.
2)Any system that overlooks or bypasses legit solid submission attemps for less effcient and more complex sets of techniques is seriously flawed.
3)If you post technique videos, you better be able to pull that information off on live resistant human beings, and it must work on skilled people.
4)When he came and rolled with me and my students he got smashed by everyone, even my white belts. His RG didn't exist beyond mission control, even when guys were allowing him to start there.
5)He had claimed some rank before coming there, and then told me to my face he had no offical rank.

[bobby rivers]

So fun to catch on white belts you have 20lbs on

[Brent Smith]

Def a fun move to go for but I have yet to see it used effectively. The transition from back mount seems like a legit transition though. The trick is getting the rubix cube but I have some difficulty getting that foot hooked in. I think doing it from a stock might be an easier transition but haven't tested it out.

[Brian Debes]

This is the ninja plata and if I ever catch this choke for some reason, that's what I'm calling it. This existed first and Horwich has done it in pro MMA. This guy seems like a nice guy, but I don't find anything he added to be significantly useful. To bad the ninja-plata is always associated with this guy instead of Horwich.

[Brent Smith]

I don't see any reason to not change the name if someone starts hitting it regularly. Puppet Master is a cool name and all but its quite obvious the reps haven't been put in by Jeff to get the honor of naming it. Maybe he came up with a rough path but not high percentage at all. Then again whats in a name...

[Brent Smith]

Since its along the lines of a crucifix Id like to take it to the lab and see if there's a better way to do it. Gotta be some worth.