Originally Posted by
Brandon Mccaghren
I hope you have some good answers for it! That's how we continue to evolve. Counter the counter. Refine the details. The community can all do the research and development together and shortcut the process. That's what is really great about open forums like this.
If you find something slick or wanna show the detail that will nullify this, come back and post it. Make a video and we will keep it private here in this thread.
Hey Brandon, I know I'm late on this. I still didn't really get a chance to film anything for you yet. I will, but here are some gifs that give an idea on how to slide and avoid the counter of the arm coming across. I know you've seen everything in this post, but hopefully it can help some people.
If anyone doesn't want to rewatch Brandon's awesome video here:
you can get the idea on a gif here too
http://i.imgur.com/CWtAx99.gif). If their arm comes across you're stuck under side control/north south and you're fucked.
Ryan Hall and Jeff Glover as you know are both big darcers/marcers and they're very good at these. The idea is to keep their posture broken during the entry, and to stay on your side, raising your profile, making it harder for the arm to go across. Some Ryan Hall gifs.
http://i.imgur.com/xMRsyuw.gif
http://i.imgur.com/XxU12za.gif
Obviously if you're really fast you can slide in quick and lock it, but using the vice grip and especially the outside leg on top of their head is a safe way for beginner marcers until they get more comfortable. It keep the posture broken and crowds the space for their arm to move across. No offense is perfect but this helps.
Another cool way is to pop up to knee on belly and bait them to come up so that when you slide for the marce their underhook just falls off.
http://i.imgur.com/PlJynAT.gif He stays tight and on his side when he slides which also makes it harder for their arm to come across.
One last thing that also can help if you slide to the marce from the front headlock is to kick your leg back. This also pops their underhook off. Here's Rafael Lovato Jr doing it
http://i.imgur.com/Bb38eVL.gif Also check how he also doesn't fall flat back either, but stays on his side as he falls into it. Here's another of Lovato staying tight and on his side
http://i.imgur.com/j4wpRtI.gif
Once you have the marce, you can obviously finish by walking in like above, or or to keep them from running away you can trap their legs, or step to mount them no matter which way they move way they fall to defend.
http://i.imgur.com/6ulztKV.gif
http://i.imgur.com/BcLnerm.gif
http://i.imgur.com/bNhbxXJ.gif
Also, as far as the picture day frame, this doesn't cover how to stop it, but if you can trap their arm in between your legs before locking up your darce, it at least makes the picture day harder for them to do. I wish I had a gif to show using your knee from the vice grip to break off their frame, or a gif of Rafa Mendes doing it from the full darce with his inner thigh. I can't find any though.
http://i.imgur.com/iDdEDWG.gif
http://i.imgur.com/o6VOtJw.gif
EDIT: Here are a couple of ways
You can also use a Rafa Mendes darce to anaconda transition
http://i.imgur.com/kY0EPev.gif
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