Anthony pettis vs clay guida

[Jimmie]

lame lay-n-pray win again.. and that's why I NEVER buy a UFC event filled with wrestlers. Its good if you want a good sleeping pill thou. Clay-n-Pray Guida.... LOL. Hope someone brutaly knocks him to retirement, cant stand this grosse "fighter".

[Christopher Piper]

I honestly found Clays ground game very good and entertaining... His submission defenses were really good, nice posture when it was needed. Really stood up to Anthony's flexible guard. Nevermind the dissapointment in wrestling... I was more dissapointed in the Jiu Jitsu work. An entertaining game to me doesn't have to be an aggressive crazy triangle thrown in the air, but can be someone answering 8 crazy triangles throw in the air... It was intelligent.

[Jared Gammel]

I think what we are beginning to see is that if you're only going to go for triangles from guard and that's the extent of your submission game; strong, well-trained fighters will defend them all day, when that's basically all they are expecting.

Guida didn't have qualms about leaving one arm in because he was sitting all the way back and knew Pettis was going to shoot for triangles. His closest sub of the night by far was when we switched to attacking the arm.

[AJ Camacho]

Guida was only stuck in 1 submission that was deep, Where else was he in trouble?

Having to hault your offense in order to dodge multiple triangles is a drastic momentum shift for the guard. Even per the NSAC judging criteria, that would score the guard for pettis. But judges don't score that way so I don't expect them to.

[AndyK5]

Guida won the fight with respect to current MMA ruling and judging. According to my personal way of looking at a fight, which does not matter to anyone but myself, he did not win the fight, just mighty mouse against torres did not win. I do not think a wrestler taking his opponent down and not getting submitted as a proper way to win a fight. Also how the hell was guida more agressive? Do you guys judge the guy who gets take downs as more aggressive? All guida did from the top was shake his hair all over the place accompanied with some spastic cage movement.
The criteria for judging are, strikes landed, take downs, octagon control and aggression. Well it seems like if you get a takedown and manage to stay on top you get the take down, octagon control and aggression parts already. Wrestler gets 3 out of 4 categories, Striker gets 1 out f 4 category and the BJJ player gets no category. Only way he can win is by submission, there is no way he can win by decision because the position that he is very comfortable in is assumed by others as he is losing immensely.

[Christopher Piper]

So, how about this question. Do you get more points for failed submission attempts, or getting out of or protecting yourself from the submissions? As mentioned in a post above, Guida landed more shots, and took down Pettis numerous times. Are you saying that Pettis should have won because he had submission ATTEMPTS?

Do you get points for blocking a punch? I'm up for seeing submission specialist and not submission attempt specialist.

[Christopher Piper]

Final point. If it were judged as a JJ match, Guida would have won on points.

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[Bryan Brown]

I wish all Main or Co-Main event fights were 5 rounds.

[AJ Camacho]

Do you get points for blocking a punch? I'm up for seeing submission specialist and not submission attempt specialist.

But you can only finish one submission per fight.

Is a submission (or a submissions attempt) worthless if it doesn't finish a fight? By that logic a takedown is worth even less than a submission attempt since one leads to the other. The only practical value (not real world mma judge value) of a takedown is that it lands you in a position from which you can strike, submit, or transition to a more dominant position. Even by the NSAC judging criteria the guard is regarded as a neutral position.

As for if it were a JJ match, of course Guida would win. That's because the old adage of "position before submission" is the gold standard of logic by which most BJJ rules are based around. But sports grappling has the same problem, where insincere grapplers game the system to hold people for gains in points. Just more instances of wanting to win the game rather than the fight.

Keep in mind here, at no point have I ever stated that Pettis should have won. I understand, just as Pettis did, the rules of the game he was playing. Clearly he lost.

[Justin Rosa]

I thought it was one of the best fight nights I've seen. really enjoyed the card! and guida vs. pettis was very entertaining. though, i can't say that it didn't take away from my experience when i realized guida went in looking for a decision win