Jesus I've seen armchair quarterbacking on MMA figths, saying what the fighters could've done better or worse. But this is the first time I've ever seen a white belt talk about a fight in 1993 and say that they could've gone in there and done better. And then double down when they get called on that silly ass remark.
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Liquidrob
Don't be so sensitive
Anyway, to think you would have had the balance and postioning of a life long BJJ guy is silly
Ken fell back and Royce came up,maybe you would have even done that, but Ken went for the foot on your hip and tried to get him back into leg position, he would have went right through you IMO
Also, people bring up the first Royce vs Ken fight amd think that's Kens game and he never got better which is false
Ken never was a technical beast, but when he fought Royce that was his 2nd MMA fight and 5th overall, but the kicker is it was only like 3 months the most from his 1st Pancrace match
His first Pancrase fight was Sept 21st, 1993, he fought Pat Smith and Royce in the UFC on November 12th 1993
To use that fight as a gauge for how old school guys grappled is silly, they evolved pretty quickly after that, look at Franks match posted against Hendo, that was in 1997 and he just started training in 1994
Kens training prior to the first Royce fight was pro wrestling style works and training with the Pancrase guys, the rules also were different and falling back for a leg was not as bad in Pancrase compared to the No Rules UFC format, he became better after the first UFC
Yeah totally. Ken learned from pro wrestlers in Japan. He was on a podcast recently saying how he got his arm fucked up the first time he rolled because he didn't know that he could tap out. No one even explained to him that was a thing.
And the stuff about Ken never being a super technical guy is true. Even he was saying that he was a limb twister and that's about it. I said that when everyone was saying his fight with Kimbo was a fix because of that RNC. Ken Shamrock has not finished a RNC since gloves were introduced into MMA, and not even any leg lock victories since 1996.
He was able to do well with leg locks in the early days of MMA, but wasn't quite as evolved with the leg game as some of his peers. I think Frank Shamrock, Bas Rutten, Masakatsu Funaki, and Minoru Suzuki all had better leg locks. Then you had the generation right after those guys of some Shooto guys with great leg locks like Genki Sudo, Rumina Sato. Obviously Imanari and Shinya Aoki.
Japanese fighters were really good with leg locks since before MMA.
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