New Transition? Or has someone else stumbled onto this?

[Jason Eisner]

He is not an affiliate he can post what ever the hell he wants who's going to stop him?
That is Eddies rule for affiliates posting instructional videos online.

Jonathan,

I'm having trouble discerning the tone of your response, so I'll just give you my opinion.

For starters, I think that enthusiasm for techniques in Jiu Jitsu is wonderful and something that I want to be supportive of. That being said, here are my personal issues with the videos in question.

The gentleman in the video is wearing official 10th Planet apparel as he instructs, which has potential to give the casual viewer the idea that the person performing techniques on the video is a 10h Planet instructor. NOTE* This type of thing has caused problems for our community in the past.

His avatar on this forum would suggest that this man is a white belt i.e. new to Jiu Jitsu, and traditionally in the BJJ community it is frowned upon for someone of this rank to be teaching Jiu Jitsu to others, as they clearly should be focused on first learning it themselves.

Also, the focus of this video is not of a person who learned a transition, or technique from a qualified instructor and wants to gather input from higher ranking guys on whether, or not he is performing it correctly. This is a video which is clearly focused on the innovation of a transition, or technique. Personally, I don't understand this need for innovation in Jiu Jitsu at the low levels. As an instructor myself, I have seen this many, many, times. In most of the gyms that I have trained in, or visited, a new student even asking questions about innovation is often frowned upon, and rightly so because it often detracts from the other students learning proper technique. 10th Planet is the most open minded system that I have encountered, but that doesn't mean that anything goes. Remember that Eddie has stated himself that "10th Planet Jiu Jitsu is anything that works at the highest levels in no-gi Jiu Jitsu." When people come to Eddie with this kind of stuff, which they often do, Eddie will usually ask them "have you seen it done in competition, or done it yourself in competition?" Eddie is super generous with his time and he is very patient. That is why he is a notch above the rest. However, the answer from these students is usually no.

Most people have a limited amount of time per day that they are able to spend training Jiu Jitsu. There are already an amazing amount of techniques that already exist that one could spend their time trying to master. The gentleman who posted this video is a white belt. It is my personal belief that he should be spending his time perfecting his fundamentals and teaching his body essential movements necessary for Jiu Jitsu, instead of trying to create new transitions and moves. I am not trying to be offensive, this is just my opinion.

You wrote "He is not an affiliate he can post what ever the hell he wants who's going to stop him?"

If you're correct about this, my guess is that no one will stop him, but if you want to gain the respect of the higher ranking guys on the forum, in BJJ in general and make friends with them (which seems like it would be the smart thing to do), he might want to consider stopping himself from correcting their posts and also from posting these kinds of videos.

It appears that this video has already gotten some quality responses from a few higher ranking guys, and the answer seems to be clear, but if a black belt comes on here and says the transition is solid and I am wrong about my retort, I will certainly apologize. :-)

Just my 2 cents.

[Mike Dewitt Jr]

Jonathan,

I'm having trouble discerning the tone of your response, so I'll just give you my opinion.

For starters, I think that enthusiasm for techniques in Jiu Jitsu is wonderful and something that I want to be supportive of. That being said, here are my personal issues with the videos in question.

The gentleman in the video is wearing official 10th Planet apparel as he instructs, which has potential to give the casual viewer the idea that the person performing techniques on the video is a 10h Planet instructor. NOTE* This type of thing has caused problems for our community in the past.

His avatar on this forum would suggest that this man is a white belt i.e. new to Jiu Jitsu, and traditionally in the BJJ community it is frowned upon for someone of this rank to be teaching Jiu Jitsu to others, as they clearly should be focused on first learning it themselves.

Also, the focus of this video is not of a person who learned a transition, or technique from a qualified instructor and wants to gather input from higher ranking guys on whether, or not he is performing it correctly. This is a video which is clearly focused on the innovation of a transition, or technique. Personally, I don't understand this need for innovation in Jiu Jitsu at the low levels. As an instructor myself, I have seen this many, many, times. In most of the gyms that I have trained in, or visited, a new student even asking questions about innovation is often frowned upon, and rightly so because it often detracts from the other students learning proper technique. 10th Planet is the most open minded system that I have encountered, but that doesn't mean that anything goes. Remember that Eddie has stated himself that "10th Planet Jiu Jitsu is anything that works at the highest levels in no-gi Jiu Jitsu." When people come to Eddie with this kind of stuff, which they often do, Eddie will usually ask them "have you seen it done in competition, or done it yourself in competition?" Eddie is super generous with his time and he is very patient. That is why he is a notch above the rest. However, the answer from these students is usually no.

Most people have a limited amount of time per day that they are able to spend training Jiu Jitsu. There are already an amazing amount of techniques that already exist that one could spend their time trying to master. The gentleman who posted this video is a white belt. It is my personal belief that he should be spending his time perfecting his fundamentals and teaching his body essential movements necessary for Jiu Jitsu, instead of trying to create new transitions and moves. I am not trying to be offensive, this is just my opinion.

You wrote "He is not an affiliate he can post what ever the hell he wants who's going to stop him?"

If you're correct about this, my guess is that no one will stop him, but if you want to gain the respect of the higher ranking guys on the forum, in BJJ in general and make friends with them (which seems like it would be the smart thing to do), he might want to consider stopping himself from correcting their posts and also from posting these kinds of videos.

Just my 2 cents.

+1
I agree, I don't think it matters if you are an affiliate or not.

[Jonathan Wylie]

Jonathan,

I'm having trouble discerning the tone of your response, so I'll just give you my opinion.

For starters, I think that enthusiasm for techniques in Jiu Jitsu is wonderful and something that I want to be supportive of. That being said, here are my personal issues with the videos in question.

The gentleman in the video is wearing official 10th Planet apparel as he instructs, which has potential to give the casual viewer the idea that the person performing techniques on the video is a 10h Planet instructor. NOTE* This type of thing has caused problems for our community in the past.

His avatar on this forum would suggest that this man is a white belt i.e. new to Jiu Jitsu, and traditionally in the BJJ community it is frowned upon for someone of this rank to be teaching Jiu Jitsu to others, as they clearly should be focused on first learning it themselves.

Also, the focus of this video is not of a person who learned a transition, or technique from a qualified instructor and wants to gather input from higher ranking guys on whether, or not he is performing it correctly. This is a video which is clearly focused on the innovation of a transition, or technique. Personally, I don't understand this need for innovation in Jiu Jitsu at the low levels. As an instructor myself, I have seen this many, many, times. In most of the gyms that I have trained in, or visited, a new student even asking questions about innovation is often frowned upon, and rightly so because it often detracts from the other students learning proper technique. 10th Planet is the most open minded system that I have encountered, but that doesn't mean that anything goes. Remember that Eddie has stated himself that "10th Planet Jiu Jitsu is anything that works at the highest levels in no-gi Jiu Jitsu." When people come to Eddie with this kind of stuff, which they often do, Eddie will usually ask them "have you seen it done in competition, or done it yourself in competition?" Eddie is super generous with his time and he is very patient. That is why he is a notch above the rest. However, the answer from these students is usually no.

Most people have a limited amount of time per day that they are able to spend training Jiu Jitsu. There are already an amazing amount of techniques that already exist that one could spend their time trying to master. The gentleman who posted this video is a white belt. It is my personal belief that he should be spending his time perfecting his fundamentals and teaching his body essential movements necessary for Jiu Jitsu, instead of trying to create new transitions and moves. I am not trying to be offensive, this is just my opinion.

You wrote "He is not an affiliate he can post what ever the hell he wants who's going to stop him?"

If you're correct about this, my guess is that no one will stop him, but if you want to gain the respect of the higher ranking guys on the forum, in BJJ in general and make friends with them (which seems like it would be the smart thing to do), he might want to consider stopping himself from correcting their posts and also from posting these kinds of videos.

It appears that this video has already gotten some quality responses from a few higher ranking guys, and the answer seems to be clear, but if a black belt comes on here and says the transition is solid and I am wrong about my retort, I will certainly apologize. :-)

Just my 2 cents.

I agree with most of what you said and personally think the technique is garbage (sorry Michael) but this forum has no hard and fast rules and you were confusing a Rule Eddie set for affiliates who are contractually obligated to abide ,with a guy on a forum practicing free speech. I just wanted to clear that up I guess I did a shitty job of articulating it.

[Jonathan Wylie]

Jonathan,

I'm having trouble discerning the tone of your response, so I'll just give you my opinion.

For starters, I think that enthusiasm for techniques in Jiu Jitsu is wonderful and something that I want to be supportive of. That being said, here are my personal issues with the videos in question.

The gentleman in the video is wearing official 10th Planet apparel as he instructs, which has potential to give the casual viewer the idea that the person performing techniques on the video is a 10h Planet instructor. NOTE* This type of thing has caused problems for our community in the past.

His avatar on this forum would suggest that this man is a white belt i.e. new to Jiu Jitsu, and traditionally in the BJJ community it is frowned upon for someone of this rank to be teaching Jiu Jitsu to others, as they clearly should be focused on first learning it themselves.

Also, the focus of this video is not of a person who learned a transition, or technique from a qualified instructor and wants to gather input from higher ranking guys on whether, or not he is performing it correctly. This is a video which is clearly focused on the innovation of a transition, or technique. Personally, I don't understand this need for innovation in Jiu Jitsu at the low levels. As an instructor myself, I have seen this many, many, times. In most of the gyms that I have trained in, or visited, a new student even asking questions about innovation is often frowned upon, and rightly so because it often detracts from the other students learning proper technique. 10th Planet is the most open minded system that I have encountered, but that doesn't mean that anything goes. Remember that Eddie has stated himself that "10th Planet Jiu Jitsu is anything that works at the highest levels in no-gi Jiu Jitsu." When people come to Eddie with this kind of stuff, which they often do, Eddie will usually ask them "have you seen it done in competition, or done it yourself in competition?" Eddie is super generous with his time and he is very patient. That is why he is a notch above the rest. However, the answer from these students is usually no.

Most people have a limited amount of time per day that they are able to spend training Jiu Jitsu. There are already an amazing amount of techniques that already exist that one could spend their time trying to master. The gentleman who posted this video is a white belt. It is my personal belief that he should be spending his time perfecting his fundamentals and teaching his body essential movements necessary for Jiu Jitsu, instead of trying to create new transitions and moves. I am not trying to be offensive, this is just my opinion.

You wrote "He is not an affiliate he can post what ever the hell he wants who's going to stop him?"

If you're correct about this, my guess is that no one will stop him, but if you want to gain the respect of the higher ranking guys on the forum, in BJJ in general and make friends with them (which seems like it would be the smart thing to do), he might want to consider stopping himself from correcting their posts and also from posting these kinds of videos.

It appears that this video has already gotten some quality responses from a few higher ranking guys, and the answer seems to be clear, but if a black belt comes on here and says the transition is solid and I am wrong about my retort, I will certainly apologize. :-)

Just my 2 cents.

Can you Edit this as a general statement instead of a response with specific references and post that version as well so I can quote you with it every time somebody posts one of these threads since it happens at least once a month. I think it would be the perfect response to these threads.

[Jonathan Wylie]

+1
I agree, I don't think it matters if you are an affiliate or not.

That's what you get for thinking.

[Jay Chow]

How can you think it's the perfect response to a thread yet you disagree with him and think anyone should be allowed to post?

Eddie set the rules for anyone on this forum, that you have to be a brown belt to post technique videos. This is clearly labelled as "New Transition", but it's not. His school is 10th Planet St Paul, so he trains at an Affiliate, and teaches it in the army, right? So therefore, he has to play by the rules Eddie set.

[Jason Eisner]

Can you Edit this as a general statement instead of a response with specific references and post that version as well so I can quote you with it every time somebody posts one of these threads since it happens at least once a month. I think it would be the perfect response to these threads.

Johnathan,

I'm not going to edit my statement. I believe that my statement as a whole is a good representation of what I have to say.

You wrote: "this forum has no hard and fast rules and you were confusing a Rule Eddie set for affiliates who are contractually obligated to abide ,with a guy on a forum practicing free speech."

I don't believe that I was confused about anything. I didn't make a statement. I asked a question. Secondly, I don't think this is a free speech issue at all. I never said that he cannot post anything he likes, I just advised against it and explained why I disagree with him doing it in the first place. Lastly, you don't need to quote me every time someone posts one of these threads. It would be unnecessary and I have no real authority to tell him what he can and cannot do. Once again, I just advised against it. You know...practicing my free speech.

[Jonathan Wylie]

How can you think it's the perfect response to a thread yet you disagree with him and think anyone should be allowed to post?

Eddie set the rules for anyone on this forum, that you have to be a brown belt to post technique videos. This is clearly labelled as "New Transition", but it's not. His school is 10th Planet St Paul, so he trains at an Affiliate, and teaches it in the army, right? So therefore, he has to play by the rules Eddie set.

Show me where that rule is printed.

[Jason Eisner]

That's what you get for thinking.

Jonathan,

I feel like you are on the attack on this thread. Not sure why you are so passionate with your responses, but I feel like its potentially a bad choice. Maybe I am misunderstanding your posts and if I am, I apologize, but the guys who are giving their input here are ranked purple and brown belts and I think you should be a little more respectful of that. In the end obviously you should do whats right for you, but I would suggest you consider that. Just my opinion.

[Jonathan Wylie]

Jonathan,

I feel like you are on the attack on this thread. Not sure why you are so passionate with your responses, but I feel like its potentially a bad choice. Maybe I am misunderstanding your posts and if I am, I apologize, but the guys who are giving their input here are ranked purple and brown belts and I think you should be a little more respectful of that. In the end obviously you should do whats right for you, but I would suggest you consider that. Just my opinion.

Ya your misunderstanding that post you quoted was intended as a joke.