An open letter to the martial arts community from Ryan Hall

[Cody Kietzman]

I don't think you're familiar with what happened. I'll post some sources so you can check the evidence yourself.

The 1989 victim in the gang rape case testified that Lloyd Irvin raped her while another man named Gatling was orally sodomizing her. Lloyd Irvin used the defense that he wanted to have sex with her, but that he was impotent. The jury did not convict him, because they weren't sure that the victim could be sure Lloyd penetrated her since the room was so dark and her vision was impaired from the oral sodomy. Everyone else that was charged was sent to prison, although there were likely several other men that participated that were never charged, the victim said it was 7-10 men, and I believe 5 went to prison. Even if Lloyd did not rape her, he himself testified that he would have had he been able to get erect. This brings us to Ryan Hall's point about a person convicted of attempted 1st degree murder is no better than someone convicted, the only difference is that the gun jammed.

For those that would imply that that it was consensual group sex, well, the physician thought differently, as did 4 separate juries that looked at the case. The woman was threatened to be thrown off the balcony, and she had bruises on her face and a busted lip from being punched.

This might not have even been discovered, but the day after the arrests Lloyd uploaded all these old rape prevention seminar testimonials. People thought it was to profit off of the tragedy on New Year's Eve. it was worse. He was trying to manipulate the Google rankings with SEO so that people would not find his old case.

Check out http://www.lloydirvinrapeexposed.com/

Also here are some old articles.

http://articles.dailypress.com/1990-...rape-case-girl

http://articles.dailypress.com/1991-...arrant-charged

http://articles.dailypress.com/1990-...en-young-woman

http://articles.dailypress.com/1990-...e-case-two-men

http://articles.dailypress.com/1991-...ton-university

http://articles.dailypress.com/1991-...orm-room-trial

That's good and well (and fucked up) all I'm saying is that LI isn't responsible nor should be connected with the recent rape perpetrated by his students. Unless he is training them to go rape women...

[Kevin Madsen]

That's good and well (and fucked up) all I'm saying is that LI isn't responsible nor should be connected with the recent rape perpetrated by his students. Unless he is training them to go rape women...

I just don't know how people can train under a person that could either do this back then or let it be done. "Martial artists" should protect people. Character doesn't change over time.

[Cody Kietzman]

I just don't know how people can train under a person that could either do this back then or let it be done. "Martial artists" should protect people. Character doesn't change over time.

Ok I understand why YOU wouldn't train with LI but I still don't see how he has anything to do with the actions of his students.

[Kevin Savage]

What makes it worse for him besides his history is that as far as I know he still hasn't made any statement on it? I mean Ryan Hall and The Gracies have so you would of figured he would by now if he was going to. I've been keeping up with this as I lurked on The UG.

[Cody Kietzman]

What makes it worse for him besides his history is that as far as I know he still hasn't made any statement on it? I mean Ryan Hall and The Gracies have so you would of figured he would by now if he was going to. I've been keeping up with this as I lurked on The UG.

He said something on Facebook that basically was like this is bad but I'm staying neutral. It was very ambiguous he is trying to stay neutral because all parties involved are his students. That is his prerogative. I mean the community has really already judged what happened in who was right ir wrong and guilty but Lloyd Irvin is trying to stay neutral it seems in the whole thing. At least that's the message I gathered based on his Facebook post that he made about it the day after it happened.

But like I said 1,000,000 times this really doesn't have anything to do with Lloyd Irvin other than that students train him.

[Mike Nall]

He said something on Facebook that basically was like this is bad but I'm staying neutral. It was very ambiguous he is trying to stay neutral because all parties involved are his students. That is his prerogative. I mean the community has really already judged what happened in who was right ir wrong and guilty but Lloyd Irvin is trying to stay neutral it seems in the whole thing. At least that's the message I gathered based on his Facebook post that he made about it the day after it happened.

But like I said 1,000,000 times this really doesn't have anything to do with Lloyd Irvin other than that students train him.

See he addressed the NYE incident but he lied in it, he said that it involved 3 students on his comp team. it didn't. The victim was a new white belt and she wasn't on any comp team. Regardless, I agree it was ambiguous, he said that she was "allegedly harmed" and he has since removed the post. Shit, his Facebook account has pretty much been down the entire past week, and it's down right now.

More importantly, when people say he hasn't made a statement, they mean he has not addressed his old rape case. THAT is what people want him to make a statement about. His silence is deafening. Hell, he didn't even confirm that he was or wasn't the Lloyd E. Irvin in the old case until DJ Jackson posted on Facebook that it was him in an argument with Chloe Cornelius.

[Sam Sales]

Another issue I have is Lloyd is right in the middle of 3 generations of rapists/pedophiles (his teacher, him, his pupils). Some fucking coincidence that eh? Rapists attract? I just don't know what to think about that? :-(

Lloyds silence does indeed speak volumes. Mainly because his actions since the news broke have been repulsive. No shame at all. I hope his whole 'team' aka cult disbands on him asap! Its disgusting! So when I hear Wilson, Nakaphan and Jared have left (which also speaks volumes by the way), it makes me very happy. :-)

[Kevin Savage]

I was actually talking about both when I was talking about making a statement, so thanks for clearing that up. I've also read something about Keenan blocking his family after the thing between them and Avellan, but I'll try to find the post on The UG.

[Kevin Savage]

Ok, nevermind about the facebook block someone said his dad was still on his friends list.

[Cody Kietzman]

Ok, nevermind about the facebook block someone said his dad was still on his friends list.

O thank god.