Ryan Hall Teaching The Twister Roll

[Eddie Bravo]

I am very familiar with the history of the Twister, Twister roll, your use in comp, and the Ninja back take. I got hooked on BJJ via your books and videos, read them like the Bible and still have them in my collection and reference from time to time. In fact I was frustarted 1.5 years ago at my traditional academy and e-mailed Ryan about his new school and told him I was a big fan of 10th Planet, and after a month at his school I even invited him to your seminar on the east coast (looking back I feel like a retard). Ryan was nothing but cool and never said one negative word about you or 10th Planet. This was one samll piece of my post, and as I said earlier I took a private from Rafael Mendes 6 months ago in NJ and he taught me this roll from side control and half guard and they barely even speak english. My bigger point was Ryan is already hitting at the highest level of competitions, and 10 feet in front of you on Hermes Franca but you still claim that his technique isn't correct, yet none of the 10th Planet "experts" are hitting it at the highest levels.

Question - at the level of ADCC and NoGi Worlds what do you guys (would like to hear Eddies answer as well) feel is a higher percentage finish, the "Truck" or Taking the Back.

First of all, he didn't do the twister roll against Hermes, he got to the truck, "briefly", off a failed waiter sweep, he never had Hermes in side control, GIANT difference. Second I never said his twister roll from side control was incorrect, I said if he tried to set it up like that from side control against a twister expert he would get it flipped on him. The way he is teaching it is "correct" against people that don't know the intricacies of the twister roll and the truck, I used to set it up like that all thru the 90's and into the 2000's but I don't anymore because there are way to many twister roll experts around these days. Does that make sense? Oh and thank you very much for your support, I had no idea you were into the 10th Planet system, even tho we are having a bit of a debate here, I do appreciate all your support

[Mike Nall]

I know he gives credit if he can remember who he gets it from. He said he got the lock down from an old judo guy he knew and etc. etc. I've read his books and seen the two videos he's put out.



I've spoken with people who train at 50/50 and they say when he's teaching he has no ego and is a phenomenal teacher. If Marcelo Garcia wasn't one of the humblest guys in the sport and he was a dick, still being who he is as a grappler, would you pass up the opportunity to train with him?

I've trained at 50/50 and I actually agree that he doesn't have a big ego and he is incredibly humble! Go train there if you can!

[Mike Nall]

[QUOTE=Jon Watkins;27449]

Bruno Frazatto beat Rafael Mendes on points ADCC trials 2007. It's actually won of my favorite matches. You can find it in google videos.

I meant besides Cobrinha he is the only one to LOSE to Mendes by points after scoring on him.

[Mike Nall]

I don't know much about the whole situation, but I do know Ryan doesn't do it as well as Eddie. That is obvious who studies the technique for more than an hour. Obviously gaining full control of the leg with both of yours and wrapping the other leg up with your arms to prevent your back from being taken is better than the Twister Roll/the way Ryan teaches it. Simple as that. I'm not questioning Eddie's or Ryan's or Denny's abilities: Not my place to, they are all awesome. What I do know is, doing it the way Ryan does it leaves openings, and he could learn to work it better if he would take the time to control the opponent a bit more. Simple as that.
To Andrew, I don't think he should give credit to Eddie if he didn't learn the roll to the back from him. I think he could LEARN a lot about the setup and how to improve it from him, though.

Has anyone here even watched Ryan's new DVD? Jesus...

He goes over "locking down" the leg as well. He doesn't say it's wrong. He doesn't say not to do it. He even demonstrates it, albeit saying he doesn't prefer it "for him." All of this nonsense over a 5 minute "sample" clip of a DVD set that's 5 hours long.

so silly

First of all, he didn't do the twister roll against Hermes, he got to the truck, "briefly", off a failed waiter sweep, he never had Hermes in side control, GIANT difference. Second I never said his twister roll from side control was incorrect, I said if he tried to set it up like that from side control against a twister expert he would get it flipped on him. The way he is teaching it is "correct" against people that don't know the intricacies of the twister roll and the truck, I used to set it up like that all thru the 90's and into the 2000's but I don't anymore because there are way to many twister roll experts around these days. Does that make sense? Oh and thank you very much for your support, I had no idea you were into the 10th Planet system, even tho we are having a bit of a debate here, I do appreciate all your support

Great post. Hopefully things will cool down from here on.

[Eddie Bravo]

These are clips from the 2003 release "The Twister" dvd. These matches were taped in 1997, 1998 and 2000. The commentary makes me dry heeve but the the techs are kinda coo

[Mike Nall]

These are clips from the 2003 release "The Twister" dvd. These matches were taped in 1997, 1998 and 2000. The commentary makes me dry heeve but the the techs are kinda coo

I remember this whole DVD used to be on Youtube. Is it down now?

BTW, I still like the commentary.

[Andrew Peters]

I still haven't heard who actually heard the Denny comments from Ryan himself, but does anybody else think the below excerpt from 50/50's website might be a more likely reason...... this is in regards to the Miami Open a couple months ago

With this win, Ryan picked up his third consecutive IBJJF gold medal at black belt. With a few injuries, Ryan will likely be resting for the remainder of the year in preparation for January’s European championship.

[Andrew Peters]

First of all, he didn't do the twister roll against Hermes, he got to the truck, "briefly", off a failed waiter sweep, he never had Hermes in side control, GIANT difference. Second I never said his twister roll from side control was incorrect, I said if he tried to set it up like that from side control against a twister expert he would get it flipped on him. The way he is teaching it is "correct" against people that don't know the intricacies of the twister roll and the truck, I used to set it up like that all thru the 90's and into the 2000's but I don't anymore because there are way to many twister roll experts around these days. Does that make sense? Oh and thank you very much for your support, I had no idea you were into the 10th Planet system, even tho we are having a bit of a debate here, I do appreciate all your support

Sorry, I meant a rolling back take not necessarily the "Twister Roll." Regardless I only posted because my coach was catching alot of heat from the top down that I still think is unfounded. I do appreciate Eddie addressing the small piece from my 1st post about the technique itself. Watching the highlight of the path to the back by Ryan against Hermes earlier in this thread tells me everything I need to know about Ryans understanding of the position and how to set it up and hit it from a position (deep half) that is highly utilized at the elite levels.

[Mike Nall]

Sorry, I meant a rolling back take not necessarily the "Twister Roll." Regardless I only posted because my coach was catching alot of heat from the top down that I still think is unfounded. I do appreciate Eddie addressing the small piece from my 1st post about the technique itself. Watching the highlight of the path to the back by Ryan against Hermes earlier in this thread tells me everything I need to know about Ryans understanding of the position and how to set it up and hit it from a position (deep half) that is highly utilized at the elite levels.

Check your private message folder buddy

[Josh Smith]

if you think you can't glean some crucial details from the way ryan teaches this (even if it is different from eddie), then you are a certifiable nut job, or you are already a master .

if you pay attention to the reason that hall does what he does, it's because he isn't even going for the twister at all. for him, it's an avenue to the back, plain and simple.

also, watch the differences and subtleties between the way that ryan rolls and the way eddie rolls. listen to their objectives. you hear eddie say things like:

- "lock him down"
- "settle him down"
- "cinch it up", etc....

you hear ryan use terms like "bait," "trick," etc...

2 different philosophies on the same art. and something extremely valuable to be learned from each.

also, please take note that the techs ryan is showing are done in a gi, where locking down and clinching aren't nearly as important as without the gi. you don't just "slip out" of a half locked truck in the gi. but with greasy legs, you better lock that thing down.

time to start moving beyond step by step techniques and look for principles, boys. there is much to be learned from everyone.

+1! I was pretty much going to say the exact same thin but also that Eddie was teaching guys this same method backstage @ Abu Dhabi in 2003. YouTube it!