NASA brainwashing program

[Paul Hannan]

I believe our free spirited governments are spraying minute doses of lsd so we can appreciate the love in the world.

[Aaron Gustaveson]

We already have someone on the inside, in the Air Force that is telling us what's going on, Kristen. She tells the whole story on my podcast. She tells her story on Joe's new show too. Joe told me that based on her testimony he now believes that some of those suspicious clouds are chemtrails and joe has been a mad skeptic up to this point. Listen to the podcast

She was in the air force. I listened to the podcast when it came out. I dont remember any physical evidence or resources for data being given? Looking forward to seeing Kristin on Joes show.

I believe martin was saying that if specialized spraying equipment is being installed/used then it would be extremely hard to keep it secret given the number of civilians that work on the aircraft.

Martin - I think that it is proposed that the chems are put in the jet fuel and passed through the engines, not dispersed using a dedicated spraying device. I dont know because I've asked for more info many times and no one responds.

[Eddie Bravo]

She was in the air force. I listened to the podcast when it came out. I dont remember any physical evidence or resources for data being given? Looking forward to seeing Kristin on Joes show.

I believe martin was saying that if specialized spraying equipment is being installed/used then it would be extremely hard to keep it secret given the number of civilians that work on the aircraft.

Martin - I think that it is proposed that the chems are put in the jet fuel and passed through the engines, not dispersed using a dedicated spraying device. I dont know because I've asked for more info many times and no one responds.

I live right between 2 airports, Burbank and LAX and I have never seen a commercial airliner with contrails or chemtrails. Maybe they are way too low when near these airports or whatever but I look up everyday multiple times a day and have never witnessed it. I see planes landing and taking off everyday and have never seen it. However I see non-commercial airliners criss crossing over my city all the time spraying something. These planes are coming and going from the Air Force base in the Palmdale area. Again, I have personally never seen contrails or chemtrails coming out of commercial airliners when I study the skies. I don't know what to think when people claim commercial airliners are putting chemicals in their fuel tanks, in my experience chemtrails are coming from military aircraft and non-commercial airliners.

[Martin.Harris]

I listened to the podcast as well and remember thinking that all of her evidence was circumstantial and theories were not probable.

I'll listen to the podcast again (after I finish MTS 59 ) but if memory serves correct alot of the evidence was based on soil samples taken on or near military bases which have been around for decades and who knows what kind of contamination was pre-existing to possible chemtrails. I think I remember her mentioning Tinker specifically, which was exposed to a devasting tornado in 1999. I would be interested in knowing the full effects of wrecked planes, houses, fuel and chemicals that were spread into and remain a part of the environment on and near Tinker (and if that was taken into consideration).

[Martin.Harris]

BTW Eddie you are my KISS, you are like a father to me. I hope to someday corner you at a bar and tell you how cool you are (seriously ). Thanks for all of your teachings, MTS episodes, Podcasts, Books, DVD's and of course the interesting topics you post.

[Eddie Bravo]

BTW Eddie you are my KISS, you are like a father to me. I hope to someday corner you at a bar and tell you how cool you are (seriously ). Thanks for all of your teachings, MTS episodes, Podcasts, Books, DVD's and of course the interesting topics you post.

Thank you for your belief in the 10p system, this site wouldn't exist without soldiers like you. :-)

[Aaron Gustaveson]

I live right between 2 airports, Burbank and LAX and I have never seen a commercial airliner with contrails or chemtrails. Maybe they are way too low when near these airports or whatever but I look up everyday multiple times a day and have never witnessed it. I see planes landing and taking off everyday and have never seen it. However I see non-commercial airliners criss crossing over my city all the time spraying something. These planes are coming and going from the Air Force base in the Palmdale area. Again, I have personally never seen contrails or chemtrails coming out of commercial airliners when I study the skies. I don't know what to think when people claim commercial airliners are putting chemicals in their fuel tanks, in my experience chemtrails are coming from military aircraft and non-commercial airliners.

Curious, how are you able to ID the aircraft? I was into jets when I was a kid and I found it was really hard even for the old guys to id high flying planes.

I worked with CCTV for years but dont know a lot about long range cameras and zoom ability. What would it take to be able to zoom in and show that these are military jets? A normal video camera couldn't do it, Im guessing?

I pretty up on my chemistry. Just finished O-chem last semester and thats was my third college chem class. I dont see any reason that the presence of metals in a contrail would make it any more persistent than a normal contrail. Has this been explained?

In my biological applications of physics class, we did some work on calculating how micron scale particles fall through the atmosphere. The math is not too hard if you dont account for up and down drafts. At the elevation planes normally fly, the chemicals they are supposed to be realising would end up spread over minimum many hundreds of miles up to literally half way around the globe with a modest breeze. Why such an inefficient method? They could get the chems into the irrigation systems or added to commercial fertilizers or pesticides and it would be thousands of times more effective and would require a much smaller number of people to be involved in the conspiracy?

[Aaron Gustaveson]

Im rewatching what in the world are they spraying. I'll make a list of problems that a skeptic would see and we can address each one in order to make a stronger case for chemtrails. At this time I dont think that metals are being released by planes but something else could be going on or I may be wrong.

Could take me awhile, I was out with an mcl sprain and have to get back to training starting tonite. (thats way Ive been on the forum so much the last 6 weeks)

[Gray]

I used to make fun of my conspiracy theorist radical right wing friends over their views of the government. Then half the shit I made fun of them for got confirmed, so now I just stay quiet on everything conspiracy relatdd

[Aaron Gustaveson]

First problem right at the beginning is that the makers of the film imply a link between two distinctly different ideas regarding altering the earth. Geoengineering (aka climate engineering) could actually be accomplished to reduce global warming. It is well known that contrails do alter global climate in this manner and has been proposed as a partial solution to global warming.

OK, good so far. The problem is that the filmmakers are inferring, because this manner of climate engineering has been seriously proposed as feasible by member of the scientific community (but never attempted), Somehow this lends credibility to a completely different idea regarding altering soil composition. (not Geoengineering)

This is a disingenuous tactic to imply that climate engineering via cloud seeding lends any credibility to the claim that all the first world nations are broadcasting metals via aircraft. It would be an obvious false comparison to viewers, if they bothered to actually explain the two very different activities which are being compared.