Forks over knives documentary

[Chris Herzog]

Gross. That doesn't sound healthy at all.

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....Says Dr Tombstone

[Kurzy]

Personally I eat a ton of red meat, but mostly wild game. Deer, Bear, Moose and Elk. I also eat a lot of Salmon and Trout, self caught.
I take a pile of Whey protein in on a daily basis, and I eat at least 3 eggs a day. I drink fish oil, take multivitamins and also use a product line that is heavily plant-based. I eat Chicken that is just store bought, and Turkey too.
I am 60/40 with Meat/veggies, and the odd piece of fruit strategically placed if it serves a purpose. (Pre/Post workout)
However I typically only have one solid meal a day (not including my eggs), and the rest of my meals are Nutritionally dense meal replacement shakes.
I will eat Instant Oatmeal as a pre-workout on days that I want to lift heavy or push myself hard too so I can't say I am paleo, but I am starch and sugar free for the most part.

[Jeremy Gates]

I love how my own guys are late to the party,even when I preach this lifestyle almost every day.

In the last year I've started eating better than I ever have but still don't think it's good enough. I'll have to talk to Kathy about it.

[Jeremy Gates]

Ok I'll take the bait why not eat meat?

Based off tha documentary it causes cancer, heart disease, diabetes. Countries where people ate meat in had the highest death rate from those diseases compared to other countries who didn't eat meat. Milk for calcium and animal protien isn't as good for u as we all were brain washed to think atleast based off this video.

[Jonathan Wylie]

Based off tha documentary it causes cancer, heart disease, diabetes. Countries where people ate meat in had the highest death rate from those diseases compared to other countries who didn't eat meat. Milk for calcium and animal protien isn't as good for u as we all were brain washed to think atleast based off this video.

Your going to make radical dietary changes based on a 96 min. documentary? Let me explain what you watched so you can maybe look a little deeper and make a more informed choice. That was 96 min. of vegan propaganda pseudo science and psychological trickery. I don't believe they ever said meat causes cancer heart disease or diabetes to make such a bold and ridiculous statement they would have to back that up with science which they could not do. They do however imply some of these things based on Cambell's research which is where the pseudo science comes in. Cambell wrote a book called The China Study which is basically from what I understand (I haven't read it) a bunch of theories and hypothesis that he presents as evidence. This is all based off a SHIT TON of data he collected in an actual study that he published under the name Diet Lifestyle and Mortality in China. Problem is a lot of people have since got there hands on this data and found a lot of correlations in it that contradict Cambell's own theories and hypothesis. So basically what he did is stop half way through the scientific process cherry pick through a shit ton of data using what supported his agenda and wrote a book and got paid. The psychological trickery is that they constantly tell you in the doc that a+b+c=d a being animal products b being all the other shit in the standard american diet and c being anything a vegan would eat and d being poor health. So if you remove a and b from the equation your left with c=e e supposedly being a picture of perfect health. They attempt to make all animal products synonymous with fast food, processed food, red bull ,coke, and constantly blur the lines between these two groups and the correlation with bad health. All this to push there vegan agenda under the guise of a "whole food plant based diet". If you want address specific points in the documentary give me a time mark. But hey if you decide to go vegan you will still be better off than most people and I wish you luck but there is no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water. I would recommend The Paleo Solution by Robb Wolf. He also has a podcast.

[Jonathan Wylie]

I don't consider myself vegan, as I do occasionally sneak some shit in

Don't fool yourself coach a married man who strays from time to time is still Married.

[Jeremy Gates]

Your going to make radical dietary changes based on a 96 min. documentary? Let me explain what you watched so you can maybe look a little deeper and make a more informed choice. That was 96 min. of vegan propaganda pseudo science and psychological trickery. I don't believe they ever said meat causes cancer heart disease or diabetes to make such a bold and ridiculous statement they would have to back that up with science which they could not do. They do however imply some of these things based on Cambell's research which is where the pseudo science comes in. Cambell wrote a book called The China Study which is basically from what I understand (I haven't read it) a bunch of theories and hypothesis that he presents as evidence. This is all based off a SHIT TON of data he collected in an actual study that he published under the name Diet Lifestyle and Mortality in China. Problem is a lot of people have since got there hands on this data and found a lot of correlations in it that contradict Cambell's own theories and hypothesis. So basically what he did is stop half way through the scientific process cherry pick through a shit ton of data using what supported his agenda and wrote a book and got paid. The psychological trickery is that they constantly tell you in the doc that a+b+c=d a being animal products b being all the other shit in the standard american diet and c being anything a vegan would eat and d being poor health. So if you remove a and b from the equation your left with c=e e supposedly being a picture of perfect health. They attempt to make all animal products synonymous with fast food, processed food, red bull ,coke, and constantly blur the lines between these two groups and the correlation with bad health. All this to push there vegan agenda under the guise of a "whole food plant based diet". If you want address specific points in the documentary give me a time mark. But hey if you decide to go vegan you will still be better off than most people and I wish you luck but there is no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water. I would recommend The Paleo Solution by Robb Wolf. He also has a podcast.

No I'm not basing my decision off one 96 min video. The idea did come up with sole interesting points based off all their research and experiements though. I've been wanting to cut cheese out of my diet for a while now ( cheese is basicly the ony dairy I eat ). I've also been wanting to greatly reduce the amount of meat I eat but it's not all up to me. I have a fiancé and we both have to agree on the changes. She eats pretty well like info already but trying to convince her to make a more drastic change is semi difficult. Not that I would go vegan but reduce it by a lot.

[Kurzy]

#meateaterforlife

[Jonathan Wylie]

No I'm not basing my decision off one 96 min video. The idea did come up with sole interesting points based off all their research and experiements though. I've been wanting to cut cheese out of my diet for a while now ( cheese is basicly the ony dairy I eat ). I've also been wanting to greatly reduce the amount of meat I eat but it's not all up to me. I have a fiancé and we both have to agree on the changes. She eats pretty well like info already but trying to convince her to make a more drastic change is semi difficult. Not that I would go vegan but reduce it by a lot.

I hear ya diet Is something I have spent the past few years trying to have a better understanding of and improve on my self, it's a struggle with the tons of info out there.

[Tom Carbone]

Cows routinely pumped full of synthetic growth hormones, antibiotics, and eating pesticide filled GMO food, cant be good.